Chat 2.17.10 Speaking Geek
18 Feb 2010 by kimbui, 5 Comments »
- 2010-02-18T03:59:56Z
- moorehn (Heidi N. Moore)
- RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat | sad but true
- 2010-02-18T03:52:10Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @MacDivaONA Ooh, that Jquery vid series looks helpful! Thanks for that, and all your helpful comments during #wjchat. Great to “see” you.
- 2010-02-18T03:42:38Z
- WebDesignFltr (Web Design Filter)
- RT @MacDivaONA To whomever was looking for jQuery tutorials during #wjchat, check out docs http://j.mp/awFcsA & vid http://j.mp/csZcAZ
- 2010-02-18T03:40:56Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Awesome #wjchat tonight. I’ll have to try and attend the next one. Though I think it conflicts with the next #dcmm
- 2010-02-18T03:39:34Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @MacDivaONA Awesome looking. Thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:38:10Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- #wjchat archive for tonight. Somewhat easier to read than my last attempt – http://bit.ly/bYFCGM – I’m sure the official one will be nicer.
- 2010-02-18T03:36:02Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @darthcheeta As moderator, that was my primary goal w/ this #wjchat topic — avoid vs. I think, overall, most people who joined “get it.”
- 2010-02-18T03:35:19Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- To whomever was looking for jQuery tutorials during #wjchat, check out docs http://j.mp/awFcsA & vid http://j.mp/csZcAZ
- 2010-02-18T03:30:57Z
- madshrew (Andrew Stanfill)
- @greglinch Hmm, I just linked to the wrong best of site on #wjchat.
- 2010-02-18T03:30:49Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @KelseyProud Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it. Talk to you soon. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:30:33Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @journatweets Glad you rnjoyed it! Talk to you soon. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:29:48Z
- madshrew (Andrew Stanfill)
- @greglinch bestofchatroulette.com shows exactly why that’s the best idea you’ve had all night. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:29:39Z
- michelemclellan (Michele Mclellan)
- Be flexible. Adapt. Bridge old and new. RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:29:19Z
- iJimCoyle (Jim Coyle)
- RT @yelvington: Q6. Future: HTML5; big shift in UI coming. Past: Not a skill, but understanding that Web is fundamentally social. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:28:42Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- What if we used ChatRoulette for #wjchat?! Or ICQ? cc/ @josephjames @Chronotope
- 2010-02-18T03:28:28Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- rereading #wjchat – so important to not think coders VS journalists, but coders AS journalists. journalism is a pupose for the practice.
- 2010-02-18T03:28:12Z
- iJimCoyle (Jim Coyle)
- RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:26:23Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @CodyBrown Web Journalist Chat started by mostly West Coast folks. I was guest moderator this week. More info http://bit.ly/a6iAJP #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:26:10Z
- josephjames (Joey Marburger)
- I know it seems old school but logic is your friend. Fav book: The Patterns on the Stone. http://j.mp/9lPKto #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:25:30Z
- stevesaldivar (Steve Saldivar)
- RT @webjournalist: Next week’s #wjchat will be moderated by @10000words – multimedia guru & author of the new Digital Journalist’s Handbook.
- 2010-02-18T03:25:04Z
- dupkaspike (Jennifer Bensko )
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T03:24:50Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Hi to all my new friends from #WJChat Loved my first chat, but there’s gotta be a better format to do this in. So many tweets so little time
- 2010-02-18T03:22:14Z
- KenC32 (KenChamberlain)
- RT @darthcheeta: common thread in #wjchat is journalists as taxomomy. still and video photographers, designers, writers, coders – we are ALL journalists.
- 2010-02-18T03:20:28Z
- superjaberwocky (Michael Becker)
- Sorry I missed #wjchat tonight. I’ll try for next week.
- 2010-02-18T03:20:05Z
- codybrown (Cody Brown)
- @greglinch Hey Greg, what is #wjchat? I keep seeing it happen.
- 2010-02-18T03:19:48Z
- josephjames (Joey Marburger)
- @Chronotope @greglinch I’ll fire up the mIRC if I get ops. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:19:21Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- Collection of resources from tonight’s #wjchat for learning HTML5: http://html5doctor.com/ http://html5doctor.com/ http://www.webmonkey.com/
- 2010-02-18T03:19:17Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Rough but I’m pretty sure complete archive up on my blog and filling out a delicious tag with all the links. http://bit.ly/dsjahH #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:18:16Z
- josephjames (Joey Marburger)
- @anthonydb Main skill I learned in Comp. Sci. was learning code quickly through logic. Much like linguistics to foreign lang. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:14:34Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @greglinch Hah, you know what we should do? Play the throwback card and pile onto an IRC channel. :P #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:13:26Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @Chronotope Agreed, it is a “heavy” tool. Meebo is simple and worked pretty well for #CollegeJourn, *when* it worked properly, haha. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:12:18Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Big thanks to @brianboyer @onyxfish @eyeseast @mattwaite @derekwillis @onemoreryan @mattwynn @kleinmatic et al who stopped by #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:09:48Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- RT @KelseyProud: The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:08:59Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- RT @wjchat: To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You’ll find a transcript of tonight’s chat there…. soon-ish.
- 2010-02-18T03:08:22Z
- ampersandra (Sandra Kofler)
- Sad that I had to miss #wjchat again (work beckons!) but excited about the transcript. You guys are fab.
- 2010-02-18T03:07:45Z
- rrichard09 (RC Richards)
- RT @moorehn: RT @greglinch Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter tool or platform #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:07:14Z
- ampersandra (Sandra Kofler)
- RT @wjchat To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You’ll find a transcript of tonight’s chat there…. soon-is
- 2010-02-18T03:04:37Z
- sedicious (Sedicious)
- RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:04:22Z
- rewinder (rewinder)
- Hello, Newsroom: a simple GeoDjango application « News Apps Blog: brianboyer: #wjchat, y’all are the first to know, … http://j.mp/9OWpOq
- 2010-02-18T03:04:21Z
- rewinder (rewinder)
- Brian Boyer — Hacker Journalist : Kick Ass News Apps! — projects to inspire journos: brianboyer: #wjchat Q4: Differ… http://bit.ly/Ueu2v
- 2010-02-18T03:01:22Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- For HTML/CSS, I recorded all the labs from a semester. Welcome to them. Download to see code clearly. http://bit.ly/ckQ4q1 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:00:57Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @wjchat: To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You’ll find a transcript of tonight’s chat there…. soon-ish.
- 2010-02-18T03:00:52Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @Chronotope Definitely. But w/ CiL you can still have the convo “on” Twitter and use CiL to curate best tweets, focus, archive, etc #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T03:00:48Z
- muckrack (Muck Rack)
- Now trending on Muck Rack: #wjchat http://bit.ly/cUfoKw
- 2010-02-18T02:59:16Z
- KarenUnland (Karen Unland)
- Of interest to those interested in #yegmediacamp RT @wjchat: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/for transcript of tonight’s #wjchat, soon-ish.
- 2010-02-18T02:58:23Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @kleinmatic Ha. I only discovered it thanks to this #wjchat too. Twitter’s not made to be a chat room, but TweetChat helps.
- 2010-02-18T02:57:31Z
- markng (Mark Ng)
- eavesdropping #wjchat was fairly interesting. One day, CAR will be considered standard for journalism in the way that shorthand was.
- 2010-02-18T02:57:00Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @pekkapekkala That would be interesting… #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:56:20Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- @wcochran Glad we had the debate. We may have some competing interests but also common goals. Living stories here we come. #wjchat #mditv
- 2010-02-18T02:55:44Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- @webjournalist I think Google Buzz is the tool for #wjchat Have a thread for every Q and let people work their way. Could be awesome!
- 2010-02-18T02:55:18Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @greglinch: Yes, just bc tonight’s #wjchat on journ & coding is over, doesn’t mean discussion ends. Follow new people and keep in touch.
- 2010-02-18T02:54:28Z
- bnmeeks (Brock N. Meeks)
- Amen, brother RT @yelvington: . @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:54:26Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Thanks for the #wjchat invite. Enjoyed talking with familiar and new friends. :)
- 2010-02-18T02:54:08Z
- tomkennedy (Tom Kennedy)
- RT @greglinch: For non-coders, I highly recommend reading/listening to materials on Computational Thinking http://bit.ly/bWEZ8j #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:53:53Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @eyeseast @kleinmatic – I’d advise trying out TweetChat to follow it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:53:12Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Agreed. Maybe CiL? RT @kleinmatic: #wjchat was fun but twitter not really good at keeping track of a fast-moving conversation.
- 2010-02-18T02:53:07Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- Thanks @greglinch @webjournalist ,all others involved, for another awesome #wjchat ! See you next week!
- 2010-02-18T02:52:17Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- Ninja cat is sneaking up on you, ready to drop mad SQL skills: http://twurl.nl/fxl8wg #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:51:47Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- Once u’ve mastered basic coding skills, move on to SQL, then django, python. Most importantly: JUST DO IT! 2/2 #wjchat #journalism
- 2010-02-18T02:50:33Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @andymboyle To hear Dr. Egon Spengler proclaim “Print is dead” in 1984? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:50:15Z
- DSmith_Tucson (Dylan Smith)
- @Chronotope The free version lacks the kickass membership features, but you can certainly see what #ee is like http://bit.ly/cFeY8 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:49:55Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- #wjchat was fun but twitter not really good at keeping track of a fast-moving conversation.
- 2010-02-18T02:49:17Z
- markng (Mark Ng)
- consider http://www.r-project.org/ as another interesting way to learn programming for journalists. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:48:53Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @vanguardiste Fabuloso. I did miss some of them, but will go back to the list/transcript… and forward the heck out of the link. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:48:48Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- To learn more about #wjchat go to: http://wjchat.webjournalist.org/ You’ll find a transcript of tonight’s chat there…. soon-ish.
- 2010-02-18T02:48:09Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- RT @wjchat: One more thing…. follow these great participants and spread the word! First rule of #wjchat is talk about #wjchat! Thanks and goodnight!
- 2010-02-18T02:48:08Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kelseyproud We’ll have the transcript up again in case you missed something. Plus we’re working on a resource list too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:47:57Z
- ChrystallK (Chrystall Kanyuck)
- Thanks for all the awesome links, #wjchat! Since I <3 data, the next dragon I slay will be SQL.
- 2010-02-18T02:47:50Z
- ejovi (Ejovi Nuwere)
- Exactly! RT @yelvington But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:47:42Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- One more thing…. follow these great participants and spread the word! First rule of #wjchat is talk about #wjchat! Thanks and goodnight!
- 2010-02-18T02:47:33Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Thanks to all. Was fun, inspiring and educational to hear from so many familiar and new people. Love connecting with journo coders! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:47:15Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- andymboyle Ding Ding. RT @KelseyProud Way I see it: Use coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:47:08Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- Most important lesson from tonight’s #wjchat: Journos MUST learn coding. It will help you tell your stories better. Start w/ HTML, CSS 1/2
- 2010-02-18T02:46:55Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Yes, just bc tonight’s #wjchat on journalism and coding is finished, doesn’t mean the discussion ends. Follow new people and keep in touch.
- 2010-02-18T02:46:53Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- Q8 Another great resource for graphics to web development, audio to video http://Tutsplus.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:46:28Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- #somanytabsopenfromtheseresources! (Thanks :) ) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:46:27Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- thanks to all #wjchat start with a big bang. more accessible to a wide range than irc where we old h4xors hang. kudos!
- 2010-02-18T02:45:42Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- Thank you for such a great discussion. I look forward to next disc. Will contact few of you, feel free to touch base with me too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:45:37Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- Remember folks, tip your waiters and don’t forget your hats. Now go watch Ghostbusters. http://bit.ly/bKQ5Oe #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:45:31Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @DSmith_Tucson I’ll have to check it out. Is it really representative of the full version? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:45:15Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- Thank you everyone! I have about 50 new bookmarks :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:45:10Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- thanks all. great resources! see you next week! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:56Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Thanks all for the thoughts. Now back to the previous century I go. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:48Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @jrue So they say :P #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:46Z
- DSmith_Tucson (Dylan Smith)
- @Chronotope There’s a free version to get your feet wet. #ee #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:39Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- Ding Ding. RT @KelseyProud The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:28Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- #wjchat is over, no more fast + furious posting tonight.
- 2010-02-18T02:44:26Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @webjournalist Thanks so much for another great chat! I love this part of my week :) And thanks to everyone here! Let’s connect! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:26Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Thanks to everyone in tonight’s #wjchat! It’s been a pleasure to be your guest moderator. Next week, it’ll be @10000words (Mark Luckie).
- 2010-02-18T02:44:21Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #demosnotmemos @eyeseast My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:44:16Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @brianboyer: What he said. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:43:57Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @nathanbyrne: Thanks to new followers from tonight’s #wjchat. Great discussion and sharing of info/ideas.
- 2010-02-18T02:43:50Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Fabulous time discussing, debating and LEARNING from you all. Really. Y’all made my night! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:43:32Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- The way I see it: Use your coding know how to build it, use your journo skills to make them come to it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:43:30Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Also, you will find the large majority of us on gchat, usually with e-mail names…similar to our twitter accounts. #wjchat #askus
- 2010-02-18T02:43:13Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- i hate that you can’t save out of firebug. #wjchat we need a browser based coding environment that really works
- 2010-02-18T02:43:08Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- What he said. RT @eyeseast: My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:43:06Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Thank you guys so much for joining us and making episode 2 of #wjchat another success!
- 2010-02-18T02:43:04Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- I’m out, was fun and useful! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:48Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat It’s been fun. I’m out. All: Please feel free to shoot me any questions, and hope to see everyone at NICAR!
- 2010-02-18T02:42:41Z
- jameswilkerson (jameswilkerson)
- #wjchat This subject is interesting, the posts are great,but I’m really unimpressed with twitter as a forum with this many people involved.
- 2010-02-18T02:42:31Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @greglinch flowingdata.com for data viz, snd.org for coding behind design #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:28Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @hgondo: Tonight was great! Thanks @wjchat @greglinch [Agreed!] #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:27Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @greglinch Yes! Cross-browser support is a crucial part of staying sane. At least you only have to debug CSS. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:24Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @KelseyProud We were all once n00bz and not l33t. @jeremybowers would say I’m still a n00b. But we’re here to help #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:19Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Thanks to new followers from tonight’s #wjchat. Great discussion and sharing of info/ideas.
- 2010-02-18T02:42:18Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Great chat! Nice talking with all of you! See you next week, or in #journchat on Monday. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:18Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- A List Apart is another good blog to look at. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:42:13Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @katierogers I’ve been favoriting tweets on the fly and will later save the best in a @Publish2 newsgroup. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:41:51Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- My all-purpose most general advice for learning to code: Build something. That is all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:41:40Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- Buy his book! RT @wjchat Next week’s #wjchat moderated by @10000words – multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist’s Handbook.
- 2010-02-18T02:41:39Z
- jrue (Jeremy Rue)
- #wjchat What about Flash CS5? You’ll be able to use it to build native iPhone/iPad apps without Objective C. http://bit.ly/69Vxs
- 2010-02-18T02:41:22Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- YAYRT @wjchat: Next weeks #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words – MM guru & author of the new Digital Journalists Handbook. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:41:07Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- @Chronotope yea, firebug… agree. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:41:00Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Though most are generous with their time and knowledge, please don’t be stingy about supplying help to noobs who need advice. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:57Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- Tonight was great! Thanks @wjchat @greglinch #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:55Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Next week’s #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words – multimedia guru & author of the new Digital Journalist’s Handbook.
- 2010-02-18T02:40:51Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- RT @onyxfish: RT @brianboyer: Were blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:51Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q8 For jQuery, great beginner start at http://www.learningjquery.com/. Then keep http://jqapi.com/ in your pocket.
- 2010-02-18T02:40:38Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Besides @SmashingMag, 37Signals and the like, what are other blogs/sites (non-ful tutorial-style) are must-reads? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:37Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- #wjchat later everyone. jquery & SQL up for investigation :) thx for the good convo
- 2010-02-18T02:40:24Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Next week’s #wjchat will be guest moderated by @10000words – multimedia guru and author of the new Digital Journalist’s Handbook.
- 2010-02-18T02:40:20Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- RT @brianboyer: Were blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:11Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @darlacameron I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:04Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @ninamehta: If the UX and IA design are a piece of cake, it might be time for more user research. @designhawg #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:40:01Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Thanks for joining the second episode of #wjchat. Please send us Qs, suggested topics, nominate moderators and general feedback.
- 2010-02-18T02:39:54Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Pick up Firebug plugin for Firefox or Chrome. Great at letting you see HTML+CSS source together and letting you play with it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:39:37Z
- ninamehta (ninamehta)
- If the UX and IA design are a piece of cake, it might be time for more user research. @designhawg #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:39:15Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q8: It might bore the beginners, but we’re blogging our projects and tools we create: http://blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/
- 2010-02-18T02:39:00Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- @brianboyer #wjchat and the shiny distraction is the danger for the newbie – like tacky powerpoints – not flash’s fault. but crashing is!
- 2010-02-18T02:38:41Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Agreed RT @BrianManzullo: I think there’s a use for Flash, but not as essential for journos to learn as other things (i.e. HTML/CSS) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:38:39Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @vanguardiste @emilyingram @andymboyle :D #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:38:36Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- Was great hearing from so many journalist-coders at tonight’s chat. Look forward to the next! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:38:35Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- The realm of hacker-journalists is a small one. Most all seem to want more in their ranks. Ask, and most are happy to share advice. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:37:32Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @elephantsgerald Have you seen the new version? They turned it into a wiki… I think some of the tutorials are still on there. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:37:25Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Um I think it’s called Big 12 Football ;- ) @KelseyProud @emilyingram @andymboyle #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:37:09Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- I think there’s a use for Flash, but not as essential for journos to learn as other things (i.e. HTML/CSS) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:37:03Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Q8 Thx for Flash thoughts guys … where can I look to learn about building widgets? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:54Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- Well, guess I’m going to have to read the transcript. #wjchat just prompted a long convo in the #mditv office b/w journ & tech. Wunderbar!
- 2010-02-18T02:36:50Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- mozilla tools lets you view generated source… very valuable for dynamic pages #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:50Z
- tishgrier (tishgrier)
- RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:45Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- #wjchat flash haters should try to build a object oriented casual/serious game — flash is not just multimedia, AS3 can make engines
- 2010-02-18T02:36:42Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Safari Books (not related to the browser) has been recommended to me, but I haven’t used it. It has books and Lynda-style videos. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:41Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- YES. RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Never be afraid to just e-mail someone and ask a question. Its what I did. Led to some great mentoring. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:33Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @eyeseast Totally agree. Coming at Django from non-programming background, it’s easier for me to explain things to non-programmers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:33Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat If someone does something cool, especially in the data nerd world, usually they will explain it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:26Z
- elephantsgerald (elephantsgerald)
- This was My text for HS web design class. GOne now. RT @notblue: can’t emphasize it enough. Webmonkey used to be pretty good. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:25Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @darthcheeta Definitely. Flash is integral to the modern web. But for a beginner, it’s a shiny distraction. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:36:19Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Q8: Regarding resources, it is much more effective to get tailored advice from a hacker than go to random sites. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:58Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Agree w/people saying view source. Hang out on GitHub. Look at code for projects. People willing to answer qs. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:48Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @The_Dean Webmonkey was my favorite tech site when I was in HS. I’m still unsure as to how useful the new version is. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:46Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Never be afraid to just e-mail someone and ask a question. It’s what I did. Led to some great mentoring. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:45Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @emilyingram @andymboyle… “Why can’t we be friends? Why can’t we be friends? Why can’t weeeeee be friends?” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:36Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- Q8 some libraries do online check out like safarionline.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:30Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- You can’t completely write anything off, like some do with Flash, but there has been a lot of push back after years of hype. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:22Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @JordanFifer Glad you made it and enjoyed it! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:17Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- RT @webjournalist: View source! RT @anthonydb: Ask people to share code w/ you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand “how they did it.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:15Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q8 Pragmatic Programmers is offering 40% off its books at http://pragprog.com/ DM me your email & I’ll send you the link. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:35:14Z
- IsadoraVail (Isadora Vail)
- #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:58Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @emilyingram My college done taught me right. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:49Z
- The_Dean (Jason Dean)
- Q8 Your local library has a lot of good books for the ever-changing programing environment. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:48Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @majorh: Q8 resources: http://www.smashingmagazine.com, http://www.alistapart.com, http://www.uxbooth.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:40Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:35Z
- bbolton (Bart Bolton)
- RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:29Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- View source! RT @anthonydb: Ask people to share code w/ you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand “how they did it.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:24Z
- drewvigal (Andrew DeVigal)
- RT @yelvington: Website management is not the same problem as newsroom workflow management. Must be distinct + interop. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:17Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- RT @emilyingram: Let it be known that @andymboyle managed to get in BOTH a diss at Mizzou and a mention of drinking during #wjchat. Solid effort.
- 2010-02-18T02:34:14Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Yes @majorh Don’t forget Smashing Magazine! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:34:02Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @KelseyProud Shut-Up-U #wjchat #Nebraskaisbetterthanyourschool
- 2010-02-18T02:33:54Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @katierogers Flash is good for specific things, but building entire projects+sites in them can be limiting+overdone, IMO. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:52Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- Let it be known that @andymboyle managed to get in BOTH a diss at Mizzou and a mention of drinking during #wjchat. Solid effort.
- 2010-02-18T02:33:52Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @KatieRogers I don’t think Flash is horrible. It has its uses. The iPhone is not the end-all of the web. People still use computers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:50Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Its almost always over Christmas break, so students can find time to go. Not incredibly expensive, either #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:46Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- it is very popular to hate on flash right now, but it still is insanely powerful for many, many things #wjchat – and it drives ads
- 2010-02-18T02:33:42Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @KatieRogers It wasn’t a horrible waste of time. You learned something. You can now apply your learning when learning a new language #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:39Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @lkmi: @KatieRogers Flash still has value. Like other progs – use it if it’s the right tool to tell the story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:29Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- Q8 resources: http://www.smashingmagazine.com, http://www.alistapart.com, http://www.uxbooth.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:25Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q8: I agree with @greglinch. I can’t tell you how AWESOME W3 Schools is… Interactive and free. Check ‘em out! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:17Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @andymboyle M-I-Z….. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:17Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat To expand on that sentiment: Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc.
- 2010-02-18T02:33:15Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- Ask people to share code with you and learn to follow logic line by line to understand “how they did it.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:33:01Z
- ethanklapper (Ethan Klapper)
- Ditto. Hope to make next week’s! RT @emmacarew: wow looks like I missed a really good #wjchat tonight – great topics @greglinch
- 2010-02-18T02:33:01Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- @KatieRogers Flash is still good for certain projects. See NYTimes interactives. But not good for *everything*. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:59Z
- The_Dean (Jason Dean)
- Q8 http://webmonkey.com has some good (free) info, depending on the topic #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:57Z
- JaimiDowdell (JaimiDowdell)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:32:56Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- @KatieRogers Its not the reality thats changed, just the specific use case. Its great for some things, but a bad place to start/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:52Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- ECLIPSE is multi language Dev Environment PHP, PERL Java, javascript, etc #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:51Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q8 O’Reilly books and webinars deserve mention again. Ask questions, follow the right Tweeps. Search like crazy. Find the rt people #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:43Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat It’s almost always over Christmas break, so students can find time to go. Not incredibly expensive, either #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:42Z
- emmacarew (Emma Carew)
- wow looks like I missed a really good #wjchat tonight – great topics @greglinch
- 2010-02-18T02:32:34Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @greglinch @webjournalist @wjchat Thanks for this – my first one but I’ll definitely be back. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:31Z
- lkmi (lkmi)
- @KatieRogers Flash still has value. Like other progs – use it if it’s the right tool to tell the story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:22Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat One of the best things I did was go to that horrible school Mizzou and take a week long NICAR bootcamp in CAR. DO IT #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:21Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- Q8 for those who are doing more than tinkering… ECLIPSE is good to have. http://www.eclipse.org/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:19Z
- markng (Mark Ng)
- @mattwynn seems like we need to make it easier for non-CAR journalists to use django as a first step platform for working with data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:32:18Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat To expand on that sentiment: Data will help you *find* the story. Then you present the data, in a graphic, on a web page, etc.
- 2010-02-18T02:32:02Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @KatieRogers: Love how Flash is now considered horrible. Spent 3 months learning it over the summer in school. This stuff moves so fast. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:59Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @andymboyle: @wjchat Learn the web from the web, as @palewire once told me. Books are nice, but the Internet changes fast. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:41Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Love how Flash is now considered horrible. Spent 3 months learning it over the summer in school. This stuff moves so fast. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:40Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- ZOMG all of these resources from some of the best minds in WJ. Magnifico. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:19Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q8 http://w3schools.com – can’t emphasize it enough. http://webmonkey.com used to be pretty good. Google, of course. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:14Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Q8 resources: W3 Schools, Google, StackOverflow, SitePoint books/ebooks (I went crazy and bought a lot during Dec sale). #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:31:05Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q8: I like djangobook a lot, but I think I needed a solid background in SQL/CAR to make it seem possible. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:30:59Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Learn the web from the web, as @palewire once told me. Books are nice, but the Internet changes fast. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:30:49Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Well, I was prepared for Q8 Required reading for learning Django http://bit.ly/bOCBoL #wjchat Also, prereqs http://bit.ly/d6w5UA
- 2010-02-18T02:30:45Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- All this Perl talk is making me nostalgic. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:30:30Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q8 I used http://lynda.com and http://w3schools.com. The former isn’t free, but video training is REAL helpful. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:30:19Z
- dblanchard (Dustin Blanchard)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:30:07Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- +11! RT @eyeseast +1 RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:30:05Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- Thanks for answering my question, guys! Great advice that will be helpful to all other non-programmer journos ! :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:56Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- RT @greglinch: Ill add my hat to the @WordPress lovers crowd. Great platform to learn, build your skills and put them into action. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:38Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @mattwynn Intrigued. Will definitely delve into Flex. I want pretty but also smart/searchable/etc etc. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:38Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q8 @katierogers also asks: What are some great resources for self-teaching, esp. if we’ve got limited free time? Books, sites, etc? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:26Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Ready to take notes for Q8! Unleash the flood gates! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:25Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- So many resources, and now Flex? @mattwynn. Head is spinning. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:23Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @yelvington A good reason to learn to think like a programmer + journalist. Translates into future. Always be learning and reading. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:14Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q7 Agree with those saying start with SQL. Learning to break information into its elements makes *all* these skills easier to learn.
- 2010-02-18T02:29:12Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:10Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Heartily seconded! RT @mattwynn: If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:08Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @Chronotope this was how I first experienced the coolness of jQuery. good tutorial. http://tablesorter.com/docs/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:07Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @darthcheeta: #wjchat Q7 1st: basic html/css, 2nd sql/scripting lang (mysql/php/cfusion/asp), 3rd framework and oo language like ruby or django/python
- 2010-02-18T02:29:07Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q8 (Final Q) Where/What are good general resources for learning about the most important programming skills/language? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:02Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- I’ll add my hat to the @WordPress lovers crowd. Great platform to learn, build your skills and put them into action. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:29:01Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- Um… but we also need really good coders, folks. That too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:56Z
- JoanJHuang (Joan Huang)
- @newswithnumbers I play with SQL mostly in ArcGIS. It has a GUI for queries, but also allows for entering syntax manually. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:54Z
- jmsummers (Juana Summers)
- RT @schwanksta @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please dont learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:41Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @mattwynn: If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:38Z
- stevesuo (stevesuo)
- #wjchat I wish I’d learned perl or php years ago. Wouldn’t have wasted so much time cleaning campaign finance dbs in Access.
- 2010-02-18T02:28:37Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q8 (Final Q) Where/What are good general resources for learning about the most important programming skills/language? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:34Z
- schwanksta (Ken Schwencke)
- …or at least fancy JS and CSS #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:28Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @Chronotope @BreannaGaddie I just signed up for my first WP programming sandbox! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:22Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Absolutely. Same with journalism :) RT @yelvington: Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:17Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- If you are intrigues by the pretty of Flash, try Flex. Flash that knows how to deal with data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:28:03Z
- schwanksta (Ken Schwencke)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:27:58Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @onemoreryan I’ve wanted to learn more about jQuery, what is a good resource? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:55Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- +1 RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:27:35Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- Learn to be comfortable that what you know today is old tomorrow. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:34Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- @michelleminkoff actually, all the mozilla dev tools are good to get. Helps to see stuff in action. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:34Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Noted to self! LOL! RT @brianboyer #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:27:32Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Nice. RT @albertsun: Q7: Journalists don’t need to learn how to code. Just need to learn enough about code that it isn’t magic. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:19Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @BreannaGaddie @hgondo Yes, having to back-hack through something like WordPress is an excellent way to learn PHP, HTML and CSS. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:13Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- #wjchat Q7 1st: basic html/css, 2nd sql/scripting lang (mysql/php/cfusion/asp), 3rd framework and oo language like ruby or django/python
- 2010-02-18T02:27:07Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please dont learn Flash. Learn databases. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:04Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so theyre no longer scared of it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:03Z
- kathleensulli (kathleensulli)
- RT @anthonydb: Q7. Pick one language and dig in … understand the concepts that translate to all languages. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:27:02Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- RT @onyxfish: Q7: Journos able to intuit the poss. and limits of data is much more impt than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:56Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @webjournalist Exactly. Don’t need to know every in and out of coding, only enough to carry out effective Web journalism #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:51Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @onemoreryan Yeah. Plus cross-browser support without writing mountainous conditionals/checks, right? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:42Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- YES! RT @mckennaewen: #wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so theyre no longer scared of it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:40Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat @onyxfish nailed it. Jounos: Please don’t learn Flash. Learn databases.
- 2010-02-18T02:26:33Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q7 Make sure you remember to save clicks as well. Minimize your navigation. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:30Z
- kathleensulli (kathleensulli)
- RT @Chronotope: @designhawg Building a beautiful design is as much of an art as elegant code or good journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:27Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @brianboyer Right. Instead of just “news judgment” it’s “data judgement.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:17Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- #wjchat Journalists should be required to learn enough code so they’re no longer scared of it.
- 2010-02-18T02:26:16Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @hgondo Bingo! I was wondering if anyone was going to mention WP. If I know -anything- about HTML, mySQL, or PHP, it’s due to WP. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:09Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @journatweets There is hope for everyone! The best part is you can’t really break anything by trying to program. So just code! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:26:02Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @webjournalist: Q7b: Web journos — Web editors/producers — need to master HTML/CSS and know/understand programming language, but not master them. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:58Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- @andymboyle excellent! that’s reason enough to keep learning. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:53Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @brianjesse Sure, but SQL is SO easy… and sets base expectations for coding. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:43Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q8 – final question. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:31Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- RT @onyxfish: Q7: Journos being able to intuit the poss. and limitations of data is much more important than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:27Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @newswithnumbers I use this a lot: SQLite firefox extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:24Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- Q7 Classic web design = “Save the pixel”. Simplicity rules. SQL is a major foundation of the web. PHP, HTML, CSS, FLASH #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:16Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @Chronotope: @KelseyProud Exactly. All are weak separately, but design+programming+content = the aim of the game. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:25:10Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q7b: Web journos — Web editors/producers — need to master HTML/CSS and know/understand programming language, but not master them. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:57Z
- brianjesse (Brian Hendrickson)
- journos: prog frameworks with the ActiveRecord pattern can help u avoid learning SQL #wjchat lang less impt
- 2010-02-18T02:24:51Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @emilyingram @pekkapekkala @journatweet I also am developing a “coding sandbox” portion of my own site to play with and share. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:51Z
- madshrew (Andrew Stanfill)
- @wjchat Been bookmarking some of the resources shared here. I appreciate them. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:42Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- For journos who want to learn code– #wjchat participants encourage learning HTML and CSS first. Also, jQuery, SQL #journalism #programming
- 2010-02-18T02:24:40Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q7 I was a lit major in college, then writer. No one should feel like they can’t pick up these skills. Only limitation is interest.
- 2010-02-18T02:24:40Z
- CmsSage (John Smith)
- RT @yelvington: But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:35Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @KatieRogers Wait until you join two tables and find something awesome. Like felons hunting with guns. Such as http://bit.ly/9nSJtA #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:32Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @greglinch Ha. I think that’s a universal truism. First time you try, expect failure. Then try again. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:31Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Can you elaborate? RT @eyeseast Most people are afraid because it’s hard/seems harder than it is. Coding requires different thinking #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:28Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat @journatweet Start a WordPress blog or your own fun site ASAP and learn with it. One of the best ways to learn, free to FAIL. :D
- 2010-02-18T02:24:24Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q7: Level of coding depends on so many variables. But in general, a reporter/photog/videog doesn’t need to know more than HTML/CSS #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:22Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @KatieRogers @andymboyle It’s a pity there are reporters who don’t even know the possibilities SQL opens up. Missing out bigtime. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:24:19Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Q7 cont. Which is by way of saying journalists should learn data mashing (sql, r, etc) and leave the for loops for us. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:37Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- Amen RT @pekkapekkala #wjchat Q7 @journatweet Start a WordPress blog ASAP and learn with it. One of the best ways to learn, free to FAIL. :D
- 2010-02-18T02:23:36Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @andymboyle I once took an intro SPJ session on SQL in 2007 and it was like Klingon. Starting learning some a few months ago = cake. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:29Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- where do ya’ll play with SQL? In my case, linux box at home, but wonder if others vary? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:28Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @KelseyProud Exactly. All are weak separately, but design+programming+content = the aim of the game. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:24Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Jesus I’m learning about some cool resources just following the stream here. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:21Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- RT @michelleminkoff: RT @wcochran: #wjchat sql is the base skill. The querys the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:17Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Q7: Journos being able to intuit the poss. and limitations of data is much more important than them being able to make a flash map. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:01Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- True for most of life, actually @Chronotope RT @lkmi: “Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:23:00Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- REMINDER: We are aiming to have a 90-minute chat, which means we’re ending in about 20 minutes or so. One final Q coming up. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:48Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- @andymboyle SQL made my brain hurt, but when a query brought back an answer it was like I’d mastered Latin. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:47Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @journatweet Start a WordPress blog or your own fun site and learn with it. Best way to learn, free to FAIL. :D #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:44Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- RT @brianboyer … Not disparaging the craft of software. But your code is useless w/o a good user experience. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:39Z
- A_L (Al Shaw)
- This is why i’m building Homer http://j.mp/bM5bIQ RT @kleinmatic people trying to code against their CMS are making a big mistake #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:37Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @andymboyle: EVEN IF IT IS DUMB you will still learn a lot in the process. Each project makes your brain better. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:35Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @mattwynn They’re probably, like, watching The Olympics. Or reading. Or drinking. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:31Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- @KelseyProud I think most people are afraid because it’s hard. And it seems harder than it is. Coding requires different thinking #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:29Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @pekkapekkala That’s one reason how I learned: http://brianmanzullo.com. Nothing special, but learned quite a bit anyway #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:17Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @pekkapekkala @journatweet Start a WordPress blog or your own fun site and learn with it. Best way to learn, free to FAIL. :D #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:02Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- life truth! @lkmi: “Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer.” – thats true for journalism AND code! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:22:00Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- comp sci develops languages and pushes technology, pro communicators put those languages to practical uses, like journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:57Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- @andymboyle yea, each simple coding thing i try seems so much easier the 2nd time, 3rd time, etc. stretches the brain #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:52Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- A Gentle Introduction to SQL is pretty awesome. http://sqlzoo.net/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:45Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @Chronotope And when elegant code, great Web design and good journalism combine… AND reach an audience = magic :) #cornybuttrue? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:40Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @MacDivaONA Excellent, thanks! I’ve been keeping my out for a good resource. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:13Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- Q7. Pick one language and dig in … understand the concepts that translate to all languages. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:12Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat All journalists should learn the basics of SQL so they can do CAR. It opens up doors. #wjchat #likeajobinmycase
- 2010-02-18T02:21:05Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @lkmi: “Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer.” – thats true for journalism AND code! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:21:01Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Pretty sure I can name the 5 of you that aren’t in #wjchat right now.
- 2010-02-18T02:20:53Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- Such fun, but have to bounce.. great conversation. Thanks! great week 2. @webjournalist @greglinch #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:20:52Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @Chronotope Another good HTML5 resource: http://html5doctor.com/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:20:35Z
- dblanchard (Dustin Blanchard)
- Q7: you should at least understand html. And if you really want to add some meat to your stories, learn SQL and play with some data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:20:22Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @designhawg Gah… all these things are equal. Building a beautiful design is as much of an art as elegant code or good journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:20:07Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- @jmsummers per Q7. Yea, in my j-school we are mostly steered to online tutorials that have been mentioned here #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:20:03Z
- lkmi (lkmi)
- “Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer.” – that’s true for journalism AND code! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:58Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @chronotope @jordanfifer Of course. Not disparaging the craft of software. But your code is useless w/o a good user experience. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:58Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @eyeseast Right. Are people (journs) afraid to start learning code because the industry coding standards change so fast? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:58Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @Chronotope Well, yes. But W3Schools is really good at filling in the gaps. The more you reference it, the more you’ll remember. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:54Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- RT @wcochran: #wjchat sql is the base skill. The querys the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:53Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Agree w/ @eyeseast. Programming is the *easy* part. Design, UX/IA, the *journalism*, those are the hard stuff.
- 2010-02-18T02:19:45Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- EVEN IF IT IS DUMB you will still learn a lot in the process. Each project makes your brain better. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:39Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- If anyone wants to try HTML5, just use the HTML5.js enabling script for IE. http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:38Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @kategardiner: I find it’s better for me to get ideas out to programmer so I can have new ones while (s)he’s executing old one. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:26Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- A project I’m working on now is an idea I’ve had for a long time. Just come up with an idea and learn how to make it. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:26Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @kategardiner: RT @brianboyer @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies google free open source reusable frameworks) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:19:05Z
- wcochran (Wendell Cochran)
- #wjchat sql is the base skill. The query’s the thing. Learn to understand that how you ask determines the answer.
- 2010-02-18T02:18:51Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- RT @newswithnumbers: if python aintyour thing, there are frameworks for PHP http://bit.ly/4u9S3 <- And @marckschaver is a pro! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:49Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- good programming books are cookbooks… learn by practical examples. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:45Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q7: I know very few news coders who majored in CompSci. And what was hot when I was in school is old now #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:44Z
- designhawg (Chris Courtney)
- #wjchat Agree to a degree. w/ @eyeseast. Design, UX/IA—piece of cake. Programming and good journalism are the hard parts.
- 2010-02-18T02:18:34Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- @wjchat Q7. I think jQuery is a great place to start. Powerful and builds the UI to tell stories. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:23Z
- JoanJHuang (Joan Huang)
- Q6: Have dabbled with HTML,CSS, Javascript,Ruby on Rails,SQL,and Lingo. Yes Lingo. Working w Stata now. Eye on Processing and AS. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:17Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Oh boy, I’ve been totally distracted by #wjchat and should really be working on my SQL problem set, go figure. Over and out.
- 2010-02-18T02:18:13Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @notblue Though I’d say, the more HTML you know the better. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:11Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- RT @andymboyle Q7 I was a dumb kid who went to state school and spent two years as a music major. Proof that most can learn to code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:04Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @JesseFolk I’m assuming you haven’t seen the #journchat thing? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:18:01Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Took a computer science course in school. For about 3.5 hours, then dropped. Much easier to learn by doing. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:59Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- @ACrimaldi #wjchat It’s a new weekly Twitter chat for Web journalists. Tonight’s topic has been journos + code.
- 2010-02-18T02:17:57Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Eesh. I think #wjchat has overloaded my Twitter client. :P
- 2010-02-18T02:17:52Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Also, think of it as an extension to your skills. You can build new online tools, not just videos/words. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:48Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @mattwynn Haha. I’m glad I’ve never had to touch Caspio. Access was enough silliness. Learning some MySQL with PHP has been fun. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:38Z
- heycori (Cori Faklaris)
- RT @jordanfifer: Agreed. RT @Chronotope: @brianboyer As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:34Z
- patrickbeeson (Patrick Beeson)
- @jordanfifer Q7 Start with understanding opportunity. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:21Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Q7: Learn from someone directly in your newsroom for specific skills, buy a book/software/online tutorial membership for reference. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:19Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Agreed. RT @Chronotope: @brianboyer As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:17:14Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- if python ain’tyour thing, there are frameworks for PHP http://bit.ly/4u9S3 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:59Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q7 A basic understanding of HTML & CSS & a bookmark for http://w3schools.com should suffice. :) @journatweet #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:52Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Q7 Was introduced in my last quarter of school, would’ve loved mroe time w/ it, but I have a feeling it’s better learned on the job. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:47Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Q7: I was a dumb kid who went to a state school and spent two years as a music major. Proof that most can learn to code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:43Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Q7: My big mistake w/coding was waiting too long to dive in, hoping for a class in it. Not a classroom thing. Just do it! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:30Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Q7 @journatweet But do you need to learn python, java, etc? No. Start out with HTML. Try CSS. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:28Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @brianboyer I have to disagree. As someone who has done both, elegant code is as much an art as well written journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:16:23Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @kegill: RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat | sad but true
- 2010-02-18T02:16:21Z
- ACrimaldi (Ashley Crimaldi)
- @KelseyProud What is #wjchat?
- 2010-02-18T02:16:15Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @hubertallen Thanks for joining us! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:55Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @greglinch Thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:48Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Me too. RT @onemoreryan: #wjchat Q6 I’d like to be less hackish with javascript (and lots of other things). And server admin.
- 2010-02-18T02:15:44Z
- jmsummers (Juana Summers)
- Q7: You’ll learn more coding/programming hands-on than you’ll ever learn in classroom. Talk to knowledgeable folks in your newsroom. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:44Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Q7 @journatweet In a word, yes. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:43Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Quick break from #wjchat to see #Mizzou up 11-3 on Texas.
- 2010-02-18T02:15:41Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q7 Learn coding as soon as possible. It increases your understanding of how the Web works, period #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:29Z
- madshrew (Andrew Stanfill)
- @selfmadepsyche @mckennaewen That’s an excellent point. I want to use web work supplement my visual stories. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:26Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @brianjesse I dunno, as much of a fan as I am of Python and everything it can do, do you really think it will replace PHP soon? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:25Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @greglinch jQuery is awesome. Makes even me feel like I can trick out apps with js. The CSS-like syntax is the key. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:22Z
- JesseFolk (Jesse Folk)
- these #wjchat tweets are beyond annoying. chat rooms were invented for a reason, USE THEM.
- 2010-02-18T02:15:15Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @Chronotope Don’t want to jump ahead, but I’ve dipped my toes into http://diveintohtml5.org — I know @eyeseast has used it #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:13Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q7 @journatweet asks: I wasn’t taught coding/progrming in school, now I’m a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:11Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- Q6. Wish I had time to convert to R for statistics, and RPy and NodeBox for visualizations. Not really what my current job demands. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:07Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @KelseyProud I took an Obj C course in the spring. Was tougher than I first thought, but rewarding. Makes Python seem easier. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:15:05Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Agree w/ @eyeseast. Programming is the *easy* part. Design, UX/IA, the *journalism*, those are the hard stuff.
- 2010-02-18T02:14:58Z
- Alec_Wasserman (Alec J. Wasserman)
- @adamhousley @gretawire RT @KelseyProud: Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:54Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @eyeseast Try thinking of it as “evangelism.” It’s about personality more than what you have to say. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:44Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @KelseyProud I’d like to learn how before graduating in May, would like to develop an app for @CMLIFE. Too busy right now though #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:42Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- Good Q. RT @KelseyProud Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:35Z
- patrickbeeson (Patrick Beeson)
- @KelseyProud We are starting to do this at Scripps. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:31Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @alexschmidt Nah, I don’t think so. It’s only when you start reporting bugs that they get annoyed. ;) (I’m queen of bug-finding.) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:29Z
- brianjesse (Brian Hendrickson)
- the php hackers on #wjchat are all embarrassed and will learn django soon. Don’t sweat it php is cool too
- 2010-02-18T02:14:28Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- #wjchat buzz words for today: CSS/HTML/Python?Django? … I feel like I’m drowning in an alphabet soup and here comes the circus…
- 2010-02-18T02:14:25Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q7 @journatweet asks: I wasn’t taught coding/progrming in school, now I’m a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:17Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @wjchat Q6: Still want more proficiency with Django, which is hard because I’m mostly a normal print reporter. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:14:09Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- ‘swhat i’m talkin bout @mckennaewen #wjchat don’t think u can make list of skills. more important 2 know what u want & find relevant skills
- 2010-02-18T02:14:07Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q6 Not a coding skill, but one I need: Sales. As in, selling people on an idea and getting buy in early. I’m bad at that. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:58Z
- madshrew (Andrew Stanfill)
- @wjchat I know css and html. Would like to delve into into some more advanced stuff sometime. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:51Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- YES! “more important to know what you want to do and find the skills to do it.” (via @mckennaewen) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:51Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Q6 Anyone learning Objective C to build iPhone/iPad apps for their news orgs? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:48Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @JordanFifer A compelling, fair + accurate story is a reflection on the whole team. That should be the goal—whatever your role is #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:42Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q6 I’d like to be less hackish with javascript. (I’d like to be less hackish w/ a lot of things, but that’s No. 1) And server admin.
- 2010-02-18T02:13:42Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:41Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q6: Personally, I know the roll out will take a while, but I want to learn more about HTML 5. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:31Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @vanguardiste Some progrmrs are not working in journalism, merely working at an journalistic org. They also do advertising, for ex. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:30Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @mattwynn jQuery is on my shortlist after I get a little further with JavaScript. From all I’ve seen and read, it looks great. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:19Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- @andymboyle damn I miss Painobaari already. We have a pub downstairs in downtown Helsinki, that’s hard to beat. And an awesome feat. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:11Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @Yobachi I took a class & learned on the job. But you can google basic coding for tutorials or watch them on Youtube.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:13:10Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:56Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @michelleminkoff Javascript can be so useful, but as a language it irritates the hell out of me. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:53Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- SQL and C# and .NET b/c we’re Microsoft-centric, and I learned a lot of CSS/HTML thanks to WordPress. Now learning Python/Django #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:46Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @thorstone137: Q5 Both need to understand the possibilities of media rich contextual storytelling; how do we move past video, audio, and text. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:44Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- Q6. Future: HTML5; big shift in UI coming. Past: Not a skill, but understanding that Web is fundamentally social. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:42Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q6 Python and Django are my weapons of choice. Learning more javascript, looking at possibilities of node.js #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:38Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @katierogers But PHP is also a good logical next step. Too many options!!! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:37Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- YES YES YES RT @rspitzer: YES. RT @onyxfish: Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:30Z
- darthcheeta (David Johnson)
- common thread in #wjchat is journalists as taxomomy. still and video photographers, designers, writers, coders – we are ALL journalists.
- 2010-02-18T02:12:29Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:28Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- #wjchat I don’t think you can make a list of skills. It’s more important to know what you want to do and find the skills to do it.
- 2010-02-18T02:12:25Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Q6 HTML/CSS basics, working on as much else as possible. Also, like @jmsummers, inspired by @brianboyer and #ONA09 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:18Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @katierogers You may want to consider Javascript. I’m doing some of that now, provides interactivity for webpages, but not hardcore. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:16Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @pekkapekkala So much to learn w/HTML5. I don’t know where I’ll find the time. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:12Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q6: Want to keep pushing on Django. Still grasping basic concepts like template inheritance. Want to learn server admin, too #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:11Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Have also done some API work, mostly with Google Maps, Twitter. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:10Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:12:04Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @JordanFifer Then they shouldn’t be working in journ. Sorry that’s harsh, but I think you should care about your work + its quality #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:57Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @yelvington: . @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:38Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @yelvington You’d think so, but I’ve met j-professors who are teaching students to think that way. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:33Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @KatieRogers PHP is good to learn, I’ve had to look at it quite a bit when developing our site. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:31Z
- kegill (Kathy E Gill -kegill)
- RT @yelvington: @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat | sad but true
- 2010-02-18T02:11:26Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- YES. RT @onyxfish: Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:26Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- @onyxfish good advice. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:23Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- RT @onemoreryan #wjchat Good structure=6 mos from now, you’ll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven’t thought of yet
- 2010-02-18T02:11:22Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q6: Since getting into journalism, I’ve learned lots about GIS and data visualization. Also, Python and Django.
- 2010-02-18T02:11:20Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @notblue wonder if programmers quake that content creators are wrenching control away from their smug little all-knowing paws ;) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:10Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- maybe a better Q for the techs here are what technologies to avoid learning as they’re on the way out? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:09Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- Q5 Both need to understand the possibilities of media rich contextual storytelling; how do we move past video, audio, and text. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:11:00Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Q6: I think it’s also fun to play w/diff languages. Lots to learn, and if we apply journ curiosity to prog, we can learn a lot #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:51Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q6: Functional but handicapped with PHP, a little better with Django, enough Python to get me in trouble. And how to use jQuery #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:50Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @greglinch Yeah, Wish I knew more of all of them tho. I’ve got enough to mod, but not create from scratch :/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:46Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Q6 Hacker wisdom: Do the simplest thing that works. (Implies, google, free, open source, reusable, frameworks, etc.) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:45Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Q6 HTML/CSS. Want to know where the hell to go from here, what’s practical if I’m not gonna b a programmer but am still interested. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:41Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- . @Chronotope Journos who don’t want to learn about the Web? They’re called “early retirees.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:38Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Q6 know html, css, jscript. being taught mqsql, php, perl, java. thinking about learning python? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:37Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat Q6: HTML 5 looks important. I’ll have to learn that and know how it’s applied to mobile. No 1. skill 2010- : know your mobile stuff.
- 2010-02-18T02:10:30Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q7. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:20Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @PeoriaPundit Software engs. make more money than journalists. They are valued more by cos. But anyone can code. Anyone can report. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:10:05Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- Q6 Updating 10-year-old HTML knowledge, learning a little CSS. Next: MUCH more of same. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:56Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- RT @wjchat: Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:55Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @strobie And here’s another: hometeam.tampabay.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:54Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q6 HTML, CSS are easy. I need to get better at JavaScript. Learning a “real” programming language is also on my list. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:42Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @onemoreryan Right like the parable of Lawrence J-W’s little league baseball and weather apps taught us! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:42Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Nice job! RT @andymboyle Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I’d find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:28Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @jmsummers I’d love to take the time to learn PHP/SQL more formally, I’ve picked up so much backwards, working with others’ stuff. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:25Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Q6: I’ve developed working knowledge of JavaScript and PHP. Hope to improve those, eventually learn some Python and Django. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:23Z
- danielbachhuber (Daniel Bachhuber)
- Wow, it looks like #wjchat has a baller conversation going on. Nicely done.
- 2010-02-18T02:09:23Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- RT @eyeseast: Q5: Sometimes I wish we’d think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn’t the hard part #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:18Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- RT @eyeseast Sometimes I wish we’d think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn’t the hard part #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:16Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @Chronotope Touche. I think we’ve all met a few (or too many) of those people. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:09:12Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @onemoreryan: #wjchat Q5 Good structure means 6 months from now, you’ll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven’t thought of yet.
- 2010-02-18T02:09:10Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q6: I’ve worked with HTML, CSS, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Django and PHP. I’d like to get better with all of them. I need clones. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:48Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Yes yes yes, I know transcripts … was askin’ about a running list. Thx though. @vanguardiste et al #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:44Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Layout oft more important than content. RT @majorh: If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:42Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q6 Learned HTML/CSS in middle school, some PHP/Java last summer (building http://cm-life.com). Still learning PHP, hope Python soon #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:40Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat Q6 HTML/CSS and some basic JavaScript/DB skills. The biggest thing: I can understand what the geeks say and design for/with them.
- 2010-02-18T02:08:36Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Q6: basic jscript, php, some python, actionscript, mysql. looking to develop in those areas plus learn framework like django. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:33Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Q6:So far, PHP and SQL. Currently obsessed w/Python+Django, and Processing. Frameworks are even more powerful than I imagined #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:32Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @onemoreryan That sounds delicious. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:32Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Pretty sure the correct answer to “How can I get to better know ___” is always”Drink with them.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:31Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- RT @eyeseast: Q5: Sometimes I wish we’d think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn’t the hard part #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:15Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @majorh: UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:04Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @jordanfifer Or what if one group doesn’t care about programming? I’ve met journos who don’t think they need to learn any web stuff #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:03Z
- jmsummers (Juana Summers)
- Q6: Teaching myself PHP, want to learn Python next. Blame @brianboyer and #ONA09. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:08:01Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @jordanfifer good point. then there is obviously a disconnect. and lots of frustration ahead #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:57Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q5 Good structure means 6 months from now, you’ll have all the Legos you need to build something cool you haven’t thought of yet.
- 2010-02-18T02:07:51Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kategardiner @KatieRogers Yes! Transcription to come. We wouldn’t leave you hangin’ like that. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:50Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- YES RT @emilymerwin, @vanguardiste We need to acknowledge that producing great jour on the web is a team effort…we NEED each other #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:48Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- RT @andymboyle: Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I’d find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:42Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q5: Sometimes I wish we’d think less about technology and just dream a little. The technology (mostly) isn’t the hard part #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:38Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @andymboyle Very true, I joined a local PHP group & they went drinking & continued discussion. http://digs.by/1Rcv #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:36Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:31Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- RT @majorh: UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:15Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- Let it be known that I was DAMN SURE I’d find a way to include drinking in a discussion about journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:10Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- hire programmers who care about journalism #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:07:08Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q5 Value of thinking about information in a structured way, even if you aren’t using that structure yet.
- 2010-02-18T02:06:58Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @dancow I don’t think you need formal journalism training but experience & making mistakes & learning from them makes you better #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:55Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- UX. UX. UX. If you make the user think about how to retrieve the data, then your data sucks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:54Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q6 What coding skills have you learned so far and what would you like to learn next? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:52Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @hgondo @vanguardiste You’re assuming the goals of both groups are the same. What if 1 group doesn’t care about the journalism? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:49Z
- markschaver (Mark Schaver)
- @mattwynn Maybe so. Doesn’t interest me though. (And I’m not saying I haven’t just served info without telling a story. Mostly have) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:36Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- @DawnVanNess @Chronotope Relaxing environments help you come up with awesome ideas. You also get to bond and become buds. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:15Z
- msaleem (Muhammad Saleem)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, yall are the first to know, were built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq #wjchat (via @katierogers)
- 2010-02-18T02:06:13Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @webjournalist: Q5: Approach to tech and sites differently and that’s OK! Let’s both think of new ways to present tech and stories together. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:06:01Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Ditto to @andymboyle. Socialize and get to know each other. It will help you better understand each other and work together. #wjchat.
- 2010-02-18T02:05:55Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether
- 2010-02-18T02:05:48Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT@vanguardiste: I think first we need 2 acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort &we NEED each other #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:46Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @mattwynn @markschaver I think there’s a place for both making info available, and telling story w/data. Recognize the distinction. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:38Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @webjournalist It should last as long as it takes people to understand each other. Some are faster learners than others. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:37Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @andymboyle Heh, yeah, that helps. When our big website started up, the team got great ideas when they went for drinks after work. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:32Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether
- 2010-02-18T02:05:22Z
- markng (Mark Ng)
- RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:09Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kategardiner Exactly! Brainstorming w/the proverbial “box” can water down ideas. Agree that standards are crucial too though! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:05:08Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @NicoleFugere I am so jealous of your web team. Fortunately, our CMS is pretty thorough & I’m good at finding free alternatives. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:59Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #orplaysoccer #dosocialthingstogether
- 2010-02-18T02:04:55Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @vanguardiste: Q5: I think first we need to acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort and that we NEED each other #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:55Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @notblue I do think the translation gig should be short term… meaning, we’ll evolve into understanding each other better. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:52Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #dosocialthingstogether #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:49Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @markschaver I take issue that that’s terrible, though. There’s an argument for merely making information stupidly simple to find. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:45Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Well played. RT @andymboyle: Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:40Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @andymboyle Q5When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #dosocialthingstogether #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:29Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @anthonydb well said. Programmers could find much useful to learn about narratives from working with journos. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:23Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @NicoleFugere Unfortunately, it’s an experience that I’m currently in the middle of. It’s a bit fresh on my mind. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:08Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @journatweets It is. You can teach yourself online. Also helps to go to IRE’s NICAR conferences #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:06Z
- dougcoleman (Doug Coleman)
- Thanks! ( http://bit.ly/UfqVS ) RT @Chronotope: @dougcoleman @brianboyer and O’Reilly has some great free webcasts too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:04:02Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- Q5: When in doubt, go drinking with each other. Great ideas come from this. TRUST ME. #wjchat #orplaysoccer #dosocialthingstogether
- 2010-02-18T02:03:52Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @anthonydb: Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:48Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @pekkapekkala Great minds… #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:35Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- @notblue our web team is an objective C programmer, and two PHP developers #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:24Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @anthonydb: Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:18Z
- markschaver (Mark Schaver)
- RT @anthonydb: Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:10Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @kathleensulli: I agree, @vanguardiste, the walls do need to come down. And don’t be afraid to: Ask questions. Collaborate. Share knowledge. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:10Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @lalorek Ah, OK. Since we only have 2 people on the web team, switching us out is a problem. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:06Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q5: Journos can show programmers a different way to display data and the advantages of a newsroom work environment. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:03:02Z
- designhawg (Chris Courtney)
- loads of great information being tossed around on #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:56Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Q5: I think first we need to acknowledge that producing great journalism on the web is a team effort and that we NEED each other #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:40Z
- kathleensulli (kathleensulli)
- I agree, @vanguardiste, the walls do need to come down. And don’t be afraid to: Ask questions. Collaborate. Share knowledge. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:36Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q6. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:30Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- Q5: to learn what the other is prioritizing to have a smoother, more effective workflow #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:26Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- Q5: Journos can teach devs the value of storytelling. Too many apps just spit data without telling a story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:10Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q5 Reach a common ground of understanding, know your role and always inquire with one another. Communication = key #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:04Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @NicoleFugere When you say “web team”… are they fully fledged programmers? Or technically inclined journos? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:02:00Z
- thorstone137 (Dustin Goerndt)
- Q4 Leadership, understanding the volatile digital market ruled by waves of disruption. Nimble CMS. Common vocab. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:55Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- Q5: Journos: I liked @brianboyer’s idea to showcase cool apps. Developers: sounds arcane but, Read The Newspaper. Know the content. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:48Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- RT @selfmadepsyche Q5: New ways to think about and serve “the people formerly known as the audience. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:44Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @eyeseast: Q4 Build apps/projects that bring in best skills of programmers and journalists. Sometimes the best technology is invisible #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:41Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q5: Approach to tech and sites differently and that’s OK! Let’s both think of new ways to present tech and stories together. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:38Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @dougcoleman @brianboyer and O’Reilly has some great free webcasts too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:36Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @notblue My editor let me work for our online operations for 2 weeks & I built the paper’s first business tech Web site #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:26Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Heading home, not sure if I’ll be back before it’s over. Thanks for the insights, folks, see you next time. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:15Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q5 How to think, where to search for answers, and how to creatively solve problems. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:14Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q5: A way to think. Programming mentality, how to break down an issue and how to attack it can be very useful to journos. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:13Z
- bmann (Boris Mann)
- RT @yelvington: The trick is to structure your data well, embrace APIs, and hang loose. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:11Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- Sadly, I’ve got to check out. Enjoyed the conversation. Thanks! @webjournalist @greglinch #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:07Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Q5 C’s to J’s: New ways to think about how to report a story based on what is possible to code J’s to C’s: How to inject humanity. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:03Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @webjournalist Exactly! You need someone there at first. Otherwise, nobody understands each other! and nothing gets done. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:01:01Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q4: Ask the reporter: 1. Who is our audience. 2. What needs to they have that we can serve? 3. What, of those, are highest priority?
- 2010-02-18T02:00:56Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- #wjchat Yep. RT @eyeseast: Q5 Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:50Z
- dougcoleman (Doug Coleman)
- @brianboyer O’Reilly books about HTML/CSS are the best: http://oreilly.com/css-html/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:49Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @yelvington Some programmers are not working in this biz bc they like journalism. They’re doing it bc they like programming. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:46Z
- kathleensulli (kathleensulli)
- me too :) RT @MacDivaONA: Q4: I do a lot of hands-on work, and ask a lot of questions to people smarter and more experienced than me #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:45Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Yup. RT @mattwaite: #wjchat If you’re going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn.
- 2010-02-18T02:00:45Z
- Jamesco (James Martin)
- Q5: Exchange ideas. Talk. Find/discuss new ways to do things. Build off each others ideas. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:43Z
- andymboyle (Andy Boyle)
- The way big projects for online and print journalism have a lot of the same measures. What some call QAing others call editing. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:35Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Q5 Story narratives, news principles (timeliness etc.), how to pinch pennies with such low pay #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:28Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @notblue Of course. There’s a difference betw translating until you can reach a good point & having a “translator” in the middle #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:23Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @Chronotope Exactly. Everything starts somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:23Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @webjournalist Q4:Dir. of Dev. Did everything possible to remove the us vs them mentality. #wjchat Hey you stole my words! :D
- 2010-02-18T02:00:21Z
- DaniBevins (D Bevins-Sundvall)
- Yes! RT @BrianManzullo: People should learn Web coding/dev like they do journalism: By doing it. Throw yourself into the fire. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T02:00:14Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @mattwaite: #wjchat If youre going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:54Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q5: What we do. It’s not like we need a firgin’ Babelfish or anything. We’re all smart. Some mroeso than other, but. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:45Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Seconded! RT @eyeseast: Q5 Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications.
- 2010-02-18T01:59:41Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @mattwynn Lols. Well on that Journos and Programmers both have a reputation :P #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:38Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat One other thing before I go. If you’re going to try this, commit to sticking with it until it works. You need to be stubborn.
- 2010-02-18T01:59:35Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- Q5 being absolutely ruthless when it comes to prioritizing time and resources #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:35Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @mattwynn So that’s how I speed this process up! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:33Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Turns out it’s very difficult to watch NCIS and follow the #wjchat at same time. American Idol will be a challenge.
- 2010-02-18T01:59:29Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Oops! @webjournalist Q4 Agree. Us v. Them mentality is so toxic. Working in silos just don’t work anymore. Walls need to come down. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:27Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @notblue I was the translator for a good chunk. Made everyone understand how to work together and value each skill set. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:25Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- Q5: Mutual respect and love of the social objective, the craft, and the results. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:24Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Q5: New ways to think about and serve “the people formerly known as the audience. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:24Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @NicoleFugere @BrianManzullo @greglinch I’m talking from experience. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:20Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @NicoleFugere: any ?’s you have about programming can be found on google. thats the beauty of the web- video tutorials make it easy to self-teach #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:15Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- Q5: Journos are verbal and techies are visual??? Learn how to bridge that gap? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:10Z
- arlton (Arlton Lowry)
- RT @webjournalist: RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:08Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- Q5. How to tell a story besides plain narrative. developers have to work with discrete data all the time; normal people don’t #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:05Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @Walldo Oh, for sure it is absolutely necessary for anyone working on the web to at least know some HTML/CSS #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:59:02Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q5 My biggest wish: Change the way we think about stuff on the web from pages and stories to resources and applications. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:58Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @DawnVanNess: @wjchat #wjchat worrying programmers are marginalizing journo skills and journos are marginalizing programmer skills – pretty X substance
- 2010-02-18T01:58:54Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q4: I do a lot of hands-on work, and ask a lot of questions to people smarter and more experienced than me. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:40Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- A factor not to be overlooked: http://bit.ly/LJVd #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:37Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- @greglinch Thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:36Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- Learn CMS templating too. Relatively easy syntax but teaches fundamental skills like queries, loops, conditionals. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:21Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- Good idea > RT @brianboyer #wjchat Q4: Do a dog-and-pony show on kick-ass news apps for your newsroom. http://bit.ly/Ueu2v
- 2010-02-18T01:58:20Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @MacDivaONA Most definitely – http://diveintohtml5.org/ has a prominent spot in my bookmarks toolbar. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:20Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat this is the basic problem, not the journos lacking coding skills but communication skills http://bit.ly/9fwmEG
- 2010-02-18T01:58:15Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- any ?’s you have about programming can be found on google. thats the beauty of the web- video tutorials make it easy to self-teach #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:58:09Z
- michsineath (Mich Sineath)
- “#wjchat is a weekly Twitter chat for web journalists. We talk about all things content, tech, ethics, and business of journ on the web.”
- 2010-02-18T01:57:58Z
- wcochran (Wendell Cochran)
- @brianboyer great comment. The goal is journalism, not code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:55Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q5 Beyond coding skills, what can journalists and developers learn from each other? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:52Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @katierogers There will be a full #wjchat archive afterwards and I’m saving tweets with choice insights/tips/resources :)
- 2010-02-18T01:57:43Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @DSmith_Tucson I’ve heard a lot of good stuff about it, but I don’t want to lay out the cash. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:39Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q5 Beyond coding skills, what can journalists and developers learn from each other? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:35Z
- michsineath (Mich Sineath)
- RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:24Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @greglinch You need someone to help translate at first. Otherwise, you end up with a HUGE MESS. @BrianManzullo @NicoleFugere #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:22Z
- michsineath (Mich Sineath)
- RT @wjchat Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:21Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Thirded. RT @vanguardiste: @emilyingram Google has been my best friend when it comes to taking on programming tasks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:21Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @Chronotope HTML might not be considered programming/scripting but it is an important first step. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:17Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Q4: Defined expectations are crucial. We prioritize tasks so both journalists and coders know what may get left out. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:10Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @KatieRogers You can pull an archive from http://wthashtag.com/Wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:03Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @michelleminkoff Bingo. I don’t know diddly about HTML/CSS. It’s a weakness, but not a killer. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:02Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don’t c themselves as programmers.U gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:57:02Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Love this. RT @KelseyProud Q4: We’re joining forces (CS/Journos) to build iPhone apps here at Mizzou. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:52Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q4: I translated between both crafts when I was Dir. of Dev. Did everything possible to remove the us vs them mentality. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:44Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @emilyingram Google has been my best friend when it comes to taking on programming tasks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:37Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @onemoreryan Mark Pilgrim’s http://diveintohtml5.org/ is fantastic too, for those who want to go to there. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:36Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Boarding flight for home. If anyone has a question for me, @ me and I’ll answer tomorrow morning.
- 2010-02-18T01:56:32Z
- DSmith_Tucson (Dylan Smith)
- On the CMS issue – ExpressionEngine! #ee – so cheap it’s damn near free, and so flexible you’ll lose yr mind #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:25Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @Chronotype HTML and CSS are valid first step, but more markup than prog. Prog means learning to structure thoughts in new way. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:08Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Is anyone compiling a list of the sources people are listing? I’m trying to bookmark but I think I’m missing some. :/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:07Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- exactly @greglinch i was going to disagree with @notblue also. our journalists are able to communicate with the web team just fine #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:04Z
- arlton (Arlton Lowry)
- RT @webjournalist: LOL! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: Our biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It’s old & shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas.
- 2010-02-18T01:56:01Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @BrianManzullo Mxd feelings abt Flash, but slowly learning HTML. I grad, Prg req 4 MIN majors, not 4 JOU majors http://digs.by/1RcV #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:56:00Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- Q4. Hang out with techies in your town. They have awesome ideas, and you’ll learn a lot thinking outside of journalism a bit. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:50Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- RT @greglinch: @notblue I disagree. We shouldnt have “translators” as barriers. Why cant we learn to speak w/ each other directly? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:50Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q4: Different type of answer: Do a dog-and-pony show on kick-ass news apps for your newsroom. They loved ours: http://bit.ly/Ueu2v
- 2010-02-18T01:55:48Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q4 Build apps/projects that bring in best skills of programmers and journalists. Sometimes the best technology is invisible #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:47Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q4 Put your programmers in the newsroom. Give them nothing to do. Good things will happen. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:46Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @lalorek How did you have the time to do that? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:38Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @emilyingram Yeah, nothing is a better tool for solving programming problems than Google search. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:36Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- @wjchat #wjchat worrying programmers are marginalizing journo skills and journos are marginalizing programmer skills – pretty X substance
- 2010-02-18T01:55:15Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- . @greglinch .. just starred a bunch of these great programming education tips .. thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:03Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @notblue I disagree. We shouldn’t have “translators” as barriers. Why can’t we all learn to speak w/ each other clearly & directly? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:55:02Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Hey, I dunno, does HTML count as programming… not that HTML isn’t awesome and important, but I never thought of it in that way. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:57Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q5. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:42Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- EVERY j-school student should graduate with at least basic HTML knowledge. Anything after that (CSS, php) is a +. Python etc is +++! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:40Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- How I learned 99% of what I know re: coding! RT @AnthonyDB: I’ve yet to meet a programming problem I couldn’t solve with Google. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:27Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q4: Ask the reporter: 1. Who is our audience. 2. What needs to they have that we can serve? 3. What, of those, are highest priority?
- 2010-02-18T01:54:26Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @Chronotope cool; thanks #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:16Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @notblue Best. Reference. Site. Ever. RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:15Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @brianboyer It’s not as tough as I thought it would be. It’s key to pick right starting point. Objective C = harder than Python. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:14Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- #wjchat for new programmers, install Ruby and nokogiri, an HTML-reading library. Then just look up tutorials on how to scrape basic sites
- 2010-02-18T01:54:07Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- Website management is not the same problem as newsroom workflow management. Must be distinct + interop. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:54:00Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- for non-coders id really suggest reading “what would google do” by jeff jarvis (eventhough he sucks at twittering)
#wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:56Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you’re ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?)
- 2010-02-18T01:53:53Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @hgondo Ooo, if you want to go the CSS+HTML route, http://www.csszengarden.com/ and their book is pretty much the bomb. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:49Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- Agree. Just asking them has done well for me. RT @jordanfifer Q4 Encourage programmers’ ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:39Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Not as cool as @mattwaite with @politifact, but my first public app was @newstools, and it got me a job at @newshour #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:35Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- Enough said. RT @mattwaite #wjchat Agree with people saying start somewhere. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer.
- 2010-02-18T01:53:31Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Best. Reference. Site. Ever. RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/
- 2010-02-18T01:53:29Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- Q4: We’re joining forces (CS/Journos) to build iPhone apps here at Mizzou. I’m part of a class that has teams doing so. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:20Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @NicoleFugere Haha yes, barely-shorthand I picked up from a friend of mine. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:16Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q4 Actually include programmers into the journalistic process… and get journos to learn a little bit about programming too #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:10Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- Agreed. RT @anthonydb I’ve yet to meet a programming problem I couldn’t solve with Google. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:09Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- @anthonydb I have, but then I tried Twitter and that worked. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:05Z
- alixbryan (Alix Bryan)
- RT @jordanfifer Q4 Encourage programmers’ ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:53:03Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- +! RT @derekwillis Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:54Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kategardiner Obviously the “real world” is still real. But if we never think beyond it we may never achieve the extraordinary #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:52Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- True story. RT @hubertallen Q4: Familiarizing journos/progros with each other’s language/work-flow/skills is absolutely key. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:48Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Programming can be tough to pick up, but two of the four of our team are self-taught. Try it: You might be awesome.
- 2010-02-18T01:52:47Z
- bshendr (Bev Hendricks)
- Congratulations! RT @nathanbyrne: Hello, all. I’m new media manager for KQTV in St. Joseph, Mo. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:42Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- or photoshop.. or … rt @anthonydb I’ve yet to meet a programming problem I couldn’t solve with Google. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:41Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Learn Python, save the world. Starting point: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: http://bit.ly/ysHnh #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:40Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @wjchat Q4 Let both professions switch roles for a week or two. We did this at the South Fla. Sun-Sentinel = success & respect #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:40Z
- kwonjuga (권혜진(Hyejin Kwon))
- í¥ë¯¸ë¡œìš´ íŠ¸ìœ„í„°ì±—ì´ ìžˆì–´ 소개드립니다. #wjchat ì›¹ì €ë„리즘 ì´ìŠˆì— 대한weekly chatì¸ë° 지금 2회 진행중입니다. ì£¼ì œëŠ” Speaking Geek: A discussion about journalism and coding
- 2010-02-18T01:52:39Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- @thejefflarson said what I was thinking: learn web scraping first. It’s a fundamental tool in reporting and you see fruit quickly #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:38Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Perfect. RT @derekwillis: Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:36Z
- JayneJuvan (Jayne Juvan)
- RT @moorehn RT @greglinch Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool/platform #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:29Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q4 Basically, find someone who can “translate” between the 2. Otherwise, nobody knows what the hell the other’s talking about. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:24Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Q4: Still figuring that one out. Programmer needs to speak plain English, journo needs to understand basics of programming. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:10Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @brianboyer Best book suggestion, imho: http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:10Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- Q4 have journos describe their most interesting stuff to developers. Then have them work on it together. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:05Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @MacDivaONA Got good suggestions from @chronotope @thilosavage @michelleminkoff on basic place to start #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:02Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat journos underestimate their skill to learn basic stuff and overestimate their capability to learn actual programming/database stuff.
- 2010-02-18T01:52:02Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kategardiner Not sure if I catch what you mean? I’m a fan of imagining what could be done w/o limits to push innovation. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:52:00Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @anthonydb: I’ve yet to meet a programming problem I couldn’t solve with Google. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:56Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- @walldo is progging that you call programming? lol #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:52Z
- thejefflarson (Jeff Larson)
- Propublica dev here. @Jamesco they should start with web scraping, it’ll teach them the fundamental lang and structure of the web. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:49Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- @mckennaewen I want an example… #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:47Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Q4 Encourage programmers’ ideas. They should be part of the process. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:45Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- RT @yelvington But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:33Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- I’ve yet to meet a programming problem I couldn’t solve with Google. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:30Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q4 For the majority of stuff we do, I’m the journalist AND the programmer. I like to say that I can “speak geek.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:24Z
- amysimons (Amy Simons)
- Huge! Overcome that and you’re halfway there!!! RT @nathanbyrne: Q3 Changing mindset in everyday coverage. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:24Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @brianboyer For beginning prog, I’m a big fan of the Head First series — prog intro features Python http://headfirstlabs.com/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:19Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you’re ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?)
- 2010-02-18T01:51:18Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- For non-coders, I highly recommend reading/listening to materials on Computational Thinking http://bit.ly/bWEZ8j #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:15Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- Good pt RT@vanguardiste If journos don’t learn @ least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:51:08Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @mattwaiteis so effin cool. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer. Build and see where it leads. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:45Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @hgondo Depends. What is it that you’d like to do? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:42Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- @JordanFifer Yep, it would help. Trouble is so many orgs aren’t big enough to afford luxury of long-term people… #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:39Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- I rebuilt college site solo on WP, had 2teach myself progging along the way. Site is rough and u can tell I was new, but its a start #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:34Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Agree with people saying start somewhere. Politifact is the first app I built and it won a Pulitzer. Build and see where it leads.
- 2010-02-18T01:50:30Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat On learning code: Learn HTML/CSS/etc. from http://www.w3schools.com/ and when you’re ready, study Python. (Nerds: book suggestions?)
- 2010-02-18T01:50:25Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @thilosavage that’s exactly what i wanted to know! thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:15Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @wjchat: Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:50:06Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @mattwynn: I should add that my own learning-on-the-job is a holdup, too. Q3 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:55Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @hgondo @derekwillis I second the how to think like a cs ref. It’s my life now. Very helpful. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:54Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @strobie lol. @yelvington – a good argument for a self-made CMS if I ever heard one. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:54Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @derekwillis will do; thanks #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:53Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- @McKennaEwen @vanguardiste A lot of people can’t just “learn along the way.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:49Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q3 Another hurdle – buy-in from biz side and/or local advertising community. We think about revenue these days, but need their help.
- 2010-02-18T01:49:48Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @MacDivaONA @hgondo start not with what you want to learn, but what you want to see, then figure out what u need to learn to make it #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:46Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- The trick is to structure your data well, embrace APIs, and hang loose. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:42Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @mattwynn parsing text files. then scraping. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:38Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:35Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- I was ‘co-prof’ for a multimedia-j class, so Im available to J’s wanting 2learn web. Not progging, but bridging them 2 web content #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:33Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @lalorek Sure. And then you’ll be a crappy coder. The basics of both are easy. Proficiency at either is hard. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:25Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @MacDivaONA for starters, what is the most basic thing to learn? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:49:23Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q4 How have you, or best could you, bridge any gaps between journalists and programmers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:58Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- But a newsroom CMS can never keep up with the speed of mutation of the Web. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:51Z
- moorehn (Heidi N. Moore)
- RT @greglinch: Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool or platform. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:49Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- @Chronotope @brianboyer Show me a person totally happy with their CMS, I’ll show you a person with a lobotomy. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:47Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @hgondo google how to think like a computer scientist and choose the python version #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:41Z
- CalFitzSimmons (Cal FitzSimmons)
- We can sometimes get caught up in the immediacy of online. Storytelling skills are valuable there, too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:40Z
- Jamesco (James Martin)
- @wjchat Q: What coding/programming skills should journalist learn. Where do we start to create dynamic content? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:37Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @macdivaona That’s true of many tech tools. If someone in newsroom knows enough, they could make it more accessible. But only if. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:34Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- People should learn Web coding/dev like they do journalism: By doing it. Throw yourself into the fire. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:33Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- @lalorek I think the difference is in how you define good – takes years to become a “good” programmer, too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:33Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- For journalist-come-programmers, what was your first coding task? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:29Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @hgondo These days I’m still leaning towards Python. I guess the question is what exactly you want to do :/ #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:48:05Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- .@wjchat Here’s one: For non-traditional programmers, how did you start? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:58Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @Chronotope: @strobie I too often wish for more arms, screens and keyboards and the ability to use them simultaneously :P #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:53Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @hgondo What do you want to learn? There are lots of resources out there. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:48Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Q3: I second @Jamesco. Managing big ideas and seeing them through for the long term is tough. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:45Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @nathanbyrne I work at a University, the issue is finding someone with expertise to run them and the budget to do them. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:42Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- We have a plan to deal with the CMS issue. If it works, I’ll let you know in a couple of months. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:41Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- @selfmadepsyche Respectfully disagree. You can take a class & learn coding quickly. It takes years to become a good journalist. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:41Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @michelleminkoff: @mckennaewan I think too much of a fear of code is perpetuated, often even in j-schools. That must change. See coding as possible. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:36Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- #wjchat @vanguardiste I can’t imagine learning code in a classroom. I find it much easier to pick a project & learn along the way.
- 2010-02-18T01:47:32Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @emilymerwin @erikgable Maybe solution is to have two diff teams – 1 on the day-to-day, the other long term. Takes more ppl, tho. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:31Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @thilosavage i dont even know where to start! which ones to learn! and for what? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:28Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Where do we find them? RT @thilosavage @hgondo If there’s one thing the internet has, it’s free coding tutorials. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:28Z
- ro_ra (Aurora Nemirow)
- The entire web team and 1 reporter @MDiTVOrg sitting together for this chat. What leads to innovation: communication #wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:24Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @kategardiner Here’s to hoping it’s “throw-away-the-box” thinking :-) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:22Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- You don’t need expert knowledge of Web coding/dev – a lot of times, basic knowledge will go a long way. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:18Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @hgondo lynda.com isn’t free, but it’s truly awesome #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:47:16Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- LOL! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: Our biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It’s old & shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas.
- 2010-02-18T01:46:58Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @mckennaewan I think too much of a fear of code is perpetuated, often even in j-schools. That must change. See coding as possible. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:46:57Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @MegBiallas: Improving j-schools means bringing in faculty who have exper. in both areas. I’ll be quizzing some potential @butleru faculty soon. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:46:45Z
- profkakie (Kakie Urch)
- @mckennaewen @vanguardiste I’m thinking it should start in second grade. it is the coin of the realm, worldwide, as they say. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:46:34Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Amen to what @mckennaewen said. It boils down to how you can best do your job, no matter the tool or platform. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:46:26Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @jaosullivanx: Amen RT @erikgable Biggest problem is time to focus. It’s essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:46:22Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- @pekkapekkala CMSs can definitely be a roadblock. That’s why a lot of data-based projects have no ties to a newsroom’s CMS. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:58Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- Q3 @eyeseast how about communicating to colleagues/higher ups the limits of what may/may not be possible? that may be even tougher #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:56Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @yelvington: Q3: Resources (enough people) and coherence (coordination, not shooting off in disconnected directions). #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:55Z
- MegBiallas (Meg Biallas)
- Improving j-schools means bringing in faculty who have exper. in both areas. I’ll be quizzing some potential @butleru faculty soon. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:54Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @brianboyer The issue is also finding a CMS that can do what we need. >.< #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:48Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:45Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @michelleminkoff The thing about APIs: You need people who can figure out how to use them or tools that make it easy if they can’t. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:42Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen b/c journos don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:40Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:38Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- @brianboyer @michelleminkoff sounds like the biz-adage… sunk cost is no excuse. It’s what your continuing to spend. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:38Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat Q3> Scrapping bad ideas quickly and concentrating on the good. Killing parts of the site that nobody really uses. Editorial vanity.
- 2010-02-18T01:45:37Z
- wcochran (Wendell Cochran)
- #wjchat as an editor my biggest challenge is greed and impatience. I want it all and I want it now. Ask @mattwaite
- 2010-02-18T01:45:34Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- SO who’s willing to teach those of us who are RTing for a primer on programming/coding?! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:34Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Oh man, that’s so true. When people ask “how do you learn this stuff?” Pick a project, make it happen. You learn by doing. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:29Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- @Chronotope Colleges/universities might be good sources for free or low-cost usability testing. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:28Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- Q3: Resources (enough people) and coherence (coordination, not shooting off in disconnected directions). #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:23Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @mckennaewen It should start in J-School—as part of required courses! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:20Z
- marshallk (Marshall Kirkpatrick)
- @mattwynn if we had more programmers on staff I would simply ask them to do fabulous things. whatever they could think of #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:14Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- What can code do for jounalism? Thats not hard. A jaw-dropping NYT data-viz links makes the rounds on Twitter about every other day. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:45:05Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:53Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists dont see themselves as programmers. Gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:43Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @mckennaewen Yes, I wish we could get every journo to understand that these days you need to know at least some code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:42Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- RT @McKennaEwen: Too many great projects never happen b/c journos don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:35Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @michelleminkoff Bankruptcy or courage. It’s time for a reboot. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:33Z
- michaelkruse (michaelkruse)
- Always. Everything. RT @mattwaite #wjchat Q3 Biggest challenge? Time. There’s so much we can do and there’s just not enough time.
- 2010-02-18T01:44:32Z
- ErnestWilkins (Ernest Wilkins)
- @brianboyer Brother, you aint kidding. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:26Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Q3 Knowing the limits of what’s possible is always a challenge. Knowing what will be hard, what will be easy. True for me, too. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:12Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- RT @mckennaewen: Too many great projects never happen because journalists don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:11Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- @lalorek eveyrone learns at least how to question and communicate as part of living; some are better than others #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:11Z
- kathleensulli (kathleensulli)
- Couldn’t have said it better! RT @mattwaite: #wjchat Biggest challenge? Time. There’s so much we can do and there’s just not enough time.
- 2010-02-18T01:44:10Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @michelleminkoff APIs are one way A solid biz case is another. The capital investment & contracts can lock firms in for too long. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:09Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Q3 Want to self-teach, but a lot of the time I don’t even know where to start. Lots of content/blogs, but not for beginners. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:07Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- LOL RT@brianboyer: our orgs biggest tech challenge is our CMS.Its so old & shitty it stops smart people frm having good ideas #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:06Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- RT @brianboyer: Biggest tech challenge is our CMS. Its so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:05Z
- notblue (Nicole )
- Q3 Lack of $ & old media ideas. We have only 2 people in our web dept, & of the 2, I’m the only one with any knowledge of web stuff #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:44:05Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- I should add that my own learning-on-the-job is a holdup, too. Q3 #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:59Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- RT @Walldo: @selfmadepsyche its easy to teach J, but few actually learn it. 75% jstudents are rubbish, 15% naturals, 10% can learn #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:55Z
- KarenUnland (Karen Unland)
- Yes please! #yegmediacamp RT @albertsun: Hacker journalists, we should design a crash course in data and code for our non-dev peers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:51Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @strobie I too often wish for more arms, screens and keyboards and the ability to use them simultaneously :P #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:43Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @shortformernie: Q3: Conservatism. Just because it’s always been done that way doesn’t mean it should be. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:41Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- @lalorek I think online journalism has shown that people can grasp basic journalism tenets without the need for formal training #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:39Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @brianboyer Well put, and likewise for us. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:29Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- LOL! RT @strobie Q3 Manpower.Tons of good ideas, need more bodies. I joke about becoming a multi-tentacled hydra to get it all done. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:29Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q4. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:25Z
- PBSIdeaLab (PBS Idea Lab)
- ryansholin: RT @knightfdn: 8PM EST The second episode of #wjchat. Tonight’s guest moderator is @greglinch. Join us to discuss journos …
- 2010-02-18T01:43:22Z
- PBSIdeaLab (PBS Idea Lab)
- ryansholin: Ryan Sholin from Publish2, strictly listening and learning tonight here at #wjchat: ryansholin: Ryan Sholin from Publish2,…
- 2010-02-18T01:43:21Z
- PBSIdeaLab (PBS Idea Lab)
- Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it’s a luxury. I always say re dev: “there’s good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two.” …
- 2010-02-18T01:43:19Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @brianboyer Hear hear. Or is it here here? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:14Z
- mckennaewen (McKenna Ewen)
- Too many great projects never happen because journalists don’t see themselves as programmers. You gotta start somewhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:12Z
- Jamesco (James Martin)
- Q3: We have tons of smart people with tons of ideas. Difficultly comes in managing all the ideas, selecting them, and moving forward #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:43:05Z
- joeboydston (joeboydston)
- #wjchat Q3 we lack quality ideas.http://www.joeboydston.com/innovation-contest/
- 2010-02-18T01:43:02Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q3: I’d say our org’s biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It’s so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas.
- 2010-02-18T01:43:01Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @albertsun Hacker journos, we should design a crash course in how and what data/code can do for our non-dev peers. [Good idea!] #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:52Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @michelleminkoff APIs are one way. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:50Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @selfmadepsyche its easy to teach J, but very few actually learn it. 75% jstudents are rubbish, 15% are naturals, 10% can learn #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:49Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:44Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- Q3: Manpower. Tons of good ideas, need more bodies. I joke about becoming a multi-tentacled hydra to get it all done. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:34Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q3 (answer 2): One challenge we *don’t* have is the reporters and editors. They’re awesome, and almost always get it.
- 2010-02-18T01:42:26Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q3: Oh and we just don’t have the people, budget or time to go through proper dev steps. We really need to do more testing w/users #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:18Z
- sdulai (Shaminder Dulai)
- Q3: That it’s worth monetary &time investment when they c prt bringin in more revenue w/o new costs, it’s hard 2b convincing #wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:12Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Amen again. RT @albertsun Hacker journos, we should design a crash course in how and what data/code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:42:08Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q3 meetings where people come up with ideas to improve product. AKA: feature creep. Aka: Just call it good and let’s move on. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:52Z
- mulho2mj (Mike Mulholland)
- Upset that I have to miss the #wjchat tonight… Again. Someone backed out of an assignment for work.
- 2010-02-18T01:41:51Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @vanguardiste: @albertsun Agree. If journalists don’t learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:49Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Oh, totally agree. RT @selfmadepsyche: @lalorek Im calling bullshit on that. Sry, but much easier to teach journo than programming. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:46Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- @mattwynn YES PLEASE #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:42Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @brianboyer @macdivaona What do you think it’s going to take for news orgs to break free of an old CMS? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:38Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Or, shorter and sweeter: RT @MacDivaONA Not enough people to work on too many ideas.
- 2010-02-18T01:41:37Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journos, we should design a crash course curriculum in how & what data & code can do for our non-dev peers #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:35Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT@albertsun:Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do 4 non-dev peers #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:31Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @mattwynn: Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I’d like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:25Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- @erikgable Yes! We spend so much time getting little things done, it’s hard to find time for long term. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:22Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q3: Really, I think the challenge is in the lack of understand & using the craft. Programmers do a TON more than editorial projects. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:19Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- Q3: challenges. besides not enough time in the day.. I’d love to have a quick and easy way to get feedback from our users #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:17Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- RT @albertsun: Hey hacker journos, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for non-dev peers #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:14Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Q3 One big factor is no “answer” to solving media crises . We all know its online/digital/etc. but no clear path to get there. Yet. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:14Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Q3 Biggest challenge? Time. There’s so much we can do and there’s just not enough time. Bothers me.
- 2010-02-18T01:41:14Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- Q3 Changing mindset in everyday coverage. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:10Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- @lalorek I’m calling bullshit on that. Sry, but much easier to teach journo than programming. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:07Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @MacDivaONA: Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. [VERY much agree] #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:41:01Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- can tech help prove/convince readers that journo is unbiased? I think YES. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:56Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Amen RT @erikgable Biggest problem is time to focus. It’s essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:50Z
- wmbenedetto (Warren Benedetto)
- To any journalists in #wjchat: If you need a designer/developer to help translate or opine on tech stories, feel free to contact me.
- 2010-02-18T01:40:49Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- usability is underestimated
#wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:47Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @lalorek: Learning basic code is not hard – easier to teach a journalist code than a programmer journalism #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:45Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- .@dancow I don’t think it’s ignorance… what we know comes easiest. Narrative is fantastically flexible. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:39Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q3: Also, more integration with our day to day reporting and posting. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:29Z
- ro_ra (Aurora Nemirow)
- Q3 the disconnect b/w dreams of the art and production team and the realities of having a working website. #wjchat #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:29Z
- albertsun (Albert Sun)
- Hey hacker journalists, we should design a crash course curriculum in how and what data and code can do for our non-dev peers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:23Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q3 Not enough people to work on too many ideas. That and wrestling with CMS and legacy code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:21Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q3: I’d say our org’s biggest tech challenge is our CMS. It’s so old and shitty that it stops smart people from having good ideas.
- 2010-02-18T01:40:17Z
- lalorek (lalorek)
- Learning basic code is not hard – easier to teach a journalist code than a programmer journalism #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:11Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- RT @thilosavage: We try too hard to be innovate and ground breaking. Website should be a tool first and artistic expression second. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:10Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- RT @vanguardiste: If journalists don’t learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:10Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- @webjournalist Yeah, we’re pulling our guy in 10 directions at once. Smart guy, creative. Same idea: boost site, then projects. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:07Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- @thilosavage Innovation just design? Not way the website can be used? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:07Z
- CalFitzSimmons (Cal FitzSimmons)
- Q3 I work with smart people and some wonder how an online strategy is going to give them any job security. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:06Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- @shortformernie Re: Conservatism … It’s a widespread problem in all newsrooms. I’m lucky to be at a place that values innovation. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:02Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @mattwynn *Jealous* #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:40:00Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q3 Problem used to be buy-in from room. Not so much anymore – so many good ideas people want to see, we can’t keep up with demand.
- 2010-02-18T01:39:41Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @RobinJP @mattwynn Fear of failure is a big one, yes. It’s also the PRICE of failure. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:37Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- Q3 Biggest problem is time to focus on it. We know it’s essential for the future, but there are so many other short-term concerns. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:30Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- Q3. I’d say we just need more people with the skills. Opportunity and desire are there.#wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:21Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @Chronotope I’m not saying I love the guy’s work all the time. But to be allowed to punt on design wholesale? FREEDOM! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:19Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q3: @GMUStudentMedia we need more agility and more people to watch over and improve our mult. products simultaneously. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:16Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:12Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- Also, traditional reporters can find it hard to abandon the notion that narrative is the best way to tell a story. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:10Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @jaosullivanx I would rather learn many things and chance not learning them in depth than learn nothing at all. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:39:05Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- form follows function
#wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:57Z
- shortformernie (Ernie Smith)
- Q3: Conservatism. Just because it’s always been done that way doesn’t mean it should be. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:55Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Q3 Trying to much to be innovative, but not serving the basic needs of the reader. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:43Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Q3 CMS is an obstacle almost everywhere. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:41Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @mattwynn: Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I’d like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:38Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- YES RT @vanguardiste If journalists dont learn at least some of dev side potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:34Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @vanguardiste: @albertsun Agree. If journalists don’t learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:30Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Also on Q3, constraints on working within existing advertising ecosystem. Ads targeted to specific URl roots. Ignorance on my part. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:30Z
- mtdukes (Tyler Dukes)
- #wjchat Q3: Getting everybody on board is a big challenge for the Web. We’ve got to be feisty, or else!
- 2010-02-18T01:38:15Z
- nathanbyrne (Nathan Byrne)
- RT @wjchat Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:05Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:05Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- Q3: Too many ideas, devices and needs but not enough time and resources. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:38:01Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- #wjchat Q3 seriously?
- 2010-02-18T01:37:54Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- My big fear is to learn too many things half-assed. RT @alexschmidt takes a lifetime each to be a good reporter and a good progro. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:54Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @BreannaGaddie That’s sad. Flash is interesting and can be useful, but cumbersome and skills aren’t transferable like HTML/CSS/PHP #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:48Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- @diedsj I can imagine… disconnects from management/journos/journocoders/coders are huge. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:48Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- If you’re using Seesmic, Tweetdeck or Twhirl, you can also set up a separate column for #wjchat tweets. Use search.
- 2010-02-18T01:37:40Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @albertsun Agree. If journalists don’t learn at least some of dev side, potential is lost in telling stories in most compelling way #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:32Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- @derekwillis> Definitely, that’s why it’s ideal to have a culture where developers are part of the brainstorming/planning phase #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:30Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- @brianboyer Amen to that. We don’t do Agile by the book, but in practice yes. (I do NOT want to wait to push something cool live ;) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:26Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q3: Fear of Failure. We like to devote time to projects we KNOW will be successful. I’d like to fall on my face trying something new #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:16Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Q3: money, vision, relationship with “the people formerly known as the audience.” #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:11Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Q3 every CMS has its own quirks and bugs you need to work around #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:37:01Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- @KelseyProud lack of understanding from upper-management about how the web works… #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:36:47Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q3 First and foremost: People with a true understanding of Web journalism and its connection with coding/dev #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:36:41Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- @NicoleFugere That does help a lot! Thanks! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:36:31Z
- SusannaSpeier (Susanna Speier)
- Its helpful to find an online glossary to get the basic codes. RT @journatweets Question:I wasnt taught coding in school,now[edited] #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:36:23Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @KelseyProud: RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:56Z
- KelseyProud (Kelsey Proud)
- RT @wjchat: Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:53Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- @rspitzer try tweetchat.com! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:51Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @BrianManzullo While still in coll, I took a Media Informatics class that taught Flash (my 2nd semester of Flash) – no HTML/CSS/PHP #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:45Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @wjchat Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:43Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @greglinch yes sir ;) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:35Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat If you find Agile constricting, you’ll feel right at home in news. We quote Bill O’Reilly almost daily: F*** it. We’ll do it live!
- 2010-02-18T01:35:34Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @dancow but that can be overcome, with experience and guidance. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:23Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Geez, had no idea there were places where programmers were treated like sludge. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:16Z
- rspitzer (rspitzer)
- Trying to follow great conversation at #wjchat right now but I’m just not quick enough!
- 2010-02-18T01:35:12Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q3 What are the challenges your organization faces in the area of Web and digital media development? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:35:08Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- A note to everyone in #wjchat, we’ll be getting to specific skills and resources later. Please keep followups related to current question.
- 2010-02-18T01:35:00Z
- schwanksta (Ken Schwencke)
- A main function @palewire and I serve is helping newsroom & editors realize *realistic* goals. Projects must be shaped by reality. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:59Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q2 We hired an online editor a year/two back that knew a lot about Web coding, but NOTHING about JRN. Be careful when hiring. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:48Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- @mediatwit give TweetChat.com a try. It is making it much easier to follow, though still moving a bit fast! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:37Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- @journatweets it is like they want us to know how to do anything; I suspect it is because they want to squeeze blood from turnips. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:32Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- Sorry for the bombardment of tweets. Participating in a #wjchat. I’ll stop the rapid fire when it’s over! :) Come join us!
- 2010-02-18T01:34:29Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @hubertallen I feel like that is part of the culture. What is needed from them in newsroom is /very/ different from other workplaces #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:27Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- @mediatwit Try TweetChat. Working well for me. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:24Z
- SuziSteffen (Suzi Steffen)
- Thanks y’all, I gotta pop off for a Skype board meeting. Can’t wait to read transcript! #outtahere #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:21Z
- NicoleFugere (Nicole Fugere)
- devs definitely speak a different language…at least @lordgluttony does here :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:17Z
- albertsun (Albert Sun)
- More cross training between programming/data skills and reporting skills is necessary. Need to understand what’s possible to do. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:13Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @jaosullivanx That is a major — maybe THE major — breakdown in working on projects with homegrown data. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:08Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- Agreed. RT @greglinch …reporters should work with coders like they (should) work as equals with photogs, designers, etc. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:05Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @journatweets Great question. That’s something we’ll be tackling towards the end to leave for more time. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:04Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @hgondo @journatweets it takes a lifetime to become a good reporter, and a lifetime to become a good programmer. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:34:02Z
- codyshotwell (Cody Shotwell)
- yes! was saying today that I need to come down and sync with you on all sorts of stuff… I’ll swing by tmrw! @RobinJP #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:47Z
- mediatwit (Mark Glaser)
- Interesting Twit-chat going on at #wjchat now, talking about coding and journalism issues. Still difficult to follow Twitter chats.
- 2010-02-18T01:33:25Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @michelleminkoff Indeed! I wonder what the best way is to do that? It can seem journos and devs speak very different languages. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:25Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- He was our head photographer but never put his CS education to use. Oops. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:19Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat I’ve managed an awesome team at HS and it was wonderful to see people with totally different backgrounds to merge into HS.fi motor.
- 2010-02-18T01:33:13Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Can you elaborate? RT @dancow Non-developer journalists frequently have poor ideas on how data is best structured (and collected) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:11Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat @onyxfish It makes me sad to see credits at the bottom like a newspaper graphic. We put bylines on our work, right at the top.
- 2010-02-18T01:33:10Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- @webjournalist I want their ideas. When I ask, they have them. But ours aren’t often proactive with projects … yet! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:09Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Agreed! It’s not us vs them. It’s just us. RT @jordanfifer: What’s w/ all this talk about “using” programmers? They ain’t ur bitch. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:00Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- RT @journatweets: Question: I wasnt taught coding in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:33:00Z
- eyeseast (Chris Amico)
- Just dropping into #wjchat. I’m Chris Amico, interactives editor for @NewsHour
- 2010-02-18T01:32:52Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- @dancow How does this happen at propublica? What’s the process? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:51Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @majorh Yep! But that’s why we’re agile. We need to be able to drop everything and turn on a dime. Iterations and constant comm. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:47Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- Definitely echo the sentiment that reporters should work with coders like they (should) work as equals with photogs, designers, etc. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:45Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @journatweets: I wasnt taught coding/progrming in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:38Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- 1 of my biggest regrets at uni was not roping in our head photog. He was a CS major who liked taking pics, so he joined our staff. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:36Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- #wjchat in grad school, taking up html/css/php but it is being taught by those self-taught. not ideal. rough starts.
- 2010-02-18T01:32:30Z
- schwanksta (Ken Schwencke)
- @brianboyer re: top bylines: Good idea, but I can’t see how to fit in our stuff. Also diff b/w ppl who build app vs. content-fillers #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:27Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- @brianboyer I like that analogy … I see our newsroom evolving more into teams of specialists that collaborate. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:22Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- Non-developer journalists frequently have poor ideas on how data is best structured (and collected) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:17Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- Agreed. RT @BrianManzullo: It’d be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:06Z
- journatweets (Natalia Veronica Mar)
- @wjchat Question: I wasn’t taught coding/progrming in school, now Im a reporter/videog. Should I learn coding now? How? Where? Why? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:32:03Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @webjournalist: @hubertallen Do you want short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas?I want them pitching/shaping sites #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:54Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- Like new relations we’re having on the biz side. RT @hubertallen Many progros aren’t journos. Only now are journos becoming progros. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:47Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q3. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:46Z
- SLODeveloper (Danny Thorogood)
- Q2: I write code for new features, and work with our CMS, scrape data. Ideal role: VP of awesomeness. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:39Z
- jameswilkerson (jameswilkerson)
- #wjchat Q2 It can be tough to find programmers who are comfortable with our “let’s do it right now” attitude.
- 2010-02-18T01:31:37Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- @travispillow In my experience, it’s been the organizations themselves. But it often turns into a chicken & egg thing. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:36Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- I see newsrooms filling in the gap with many journalists picking up a little bit of code just so the whole org gets by. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:36Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Q2 Mktg has its own team we work with, but of our 2.5 devs, 2 are in newsroom (and .5 is @mtigas). Wouldn’t have it any other way.
- 2010-02-18T01:31:27Z
- dancow (Dan Nguyen)
- #wjchat Hi, one of the developers from propublica here. I think having developers shape ideas from the start is critical
- 2010-02-18T01:31:27Z
- aqadan (Abdurrahman Qadan)
- they should chefs, creative yet productive :D #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:23Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @MegBiallas Sure, but it’s easier to teach journalism than CS. Tell truth. Be curious. Else? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:23Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- What’s with all this talk about “using” programmers? They ain’t your bitch. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:20Z
- killbutton (Amira Dughri)
- RT @thilosavage @hubertallen Some coders just arent very creative.Thats fine. U dont expect a dishwasher 2 invent a new kind of soap #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:18Z
- mtdukes (Tyler Dukes)
- #wjchat I’ve seen good collab b/w programmers and journos in the past, esp when both are passionate. They come at it from diff directions.
- 2010-02-18T01:31:17Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @onyxfish: Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker’s skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:15Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- @thilosavage True! But having worked with a creative programmer in the past, I can’t help but hope they all have potential. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:11Z
- msjardijn (martin sjardijn)
- so its a separate chat…afaiu #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:08Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @Chronotope That’s why it’s imp for progs + all journs to learn a bit about what the other does, so they understand the background. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:31:03Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @BrianManzullo: @MegBiallas It’d be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:58Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @strobie Dang. The crew I was with was down the hall. We wanted to develop the site a ton to improve it before editorial projects. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:55Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- @brianboyer and instead of pictures… visualizations. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:54Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @brianboyer: @newswithnumbers I think of our team as very similar to photojournalists. Except instead of cameras, we’ve got laptops. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:40Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @webjournalist: @hubertallen Do you want them as short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas? I want them pitching/shaping sites. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:32Z
- srwellman (Stephen Wellman)
- RT @marshallk: I wish we had more programmers on staff at ReadWriteWeb.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:29Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @MegBiallas It’d be nice if college journalism programs would add a Web class or two to teach HTML/CSS/PHP though. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:08Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @newswithnumbers I think of our team as very similar to photojournalists. Except instead of cameras, we’ve got laptops. :) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:07Z
- ro_ra (Aurora Nemirow)
- An example of what our tech team does for @MDiTVOrg #MDiTV together: http://bit.ly/cXhmkq #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:06Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @marshallk What would you do with them? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:30:03Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @schwanksta: Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk
- 2010-02-18T01:30:03Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- @codyshotwell hey, I didn’t know you got that job… congrats.. stop by.. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:51Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @Chronotope:Part of the issue when it comes 2 working w/all is the question of if everyone else knows what sort of Qs to ask #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:49Z
- AbsolutEvan (EvanWyloge)
- @kleinmatic can’t wait! wouldn’t miss it! Then again, I live in Phoenix #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:39Z
- strobie (Christine Strobel)
- @webjournalist Q2: Our programmer helps shape ideas, but he’s not newsroom exclusive — shared with ad/marketing efforts. Rough. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:35Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @RobinJP: Q2: if you’re not using a developer in a full partnership in the newsroom ur crazy … ours is, & I hope he thinks so. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:24Z
- travispillow (Travis Pillow)
- @MacDivaONA When progs are treated like grunts is it the org or the progs themselves that positions them like that? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:20Z
- MegBiallas (Meg Biallas)
- Computer science majors aren’t learning the same things as journalism majors. That’s where collaboration comes in. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:29:12Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @schwanksta: Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk
- 2010-02-18T01:28:59Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat So, sorta in the newsroom and sorta not. Is it ideal? At least until we get to focus on news projects it is.
- 2010-02-18T01:28:59Z
- marshallk (Marshall Kirkpatrick)
- I wish we had more programmers on staff at ReadWriteWeb.com #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:48Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @jordanfifer I’m one of those journalists becoming (slowly) a programmer #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:42Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q2: Part of the issue when it comes to working w/all is the question of if everyone else knows what sort of questions to ask. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:33Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat @onyxfish It makes me sad to see credits at the bottom like a newspaper graphic. We put bylines on our work, right at the top.
- 2010-02-18T01:28:31Z
- codyshotwell (Cody Shotwell)
- Cody here, web coordinator at SABEW. On the slow boat to learning AJAX, JavaScript, super-fancy CSS, AS3, PHP and other acronyms #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:28Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- @alexschmidt I wonder if programmers are intimidated by newsroom culture/hierarchy sometimes. They don’t have journ. backgrounds. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:25Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- RT @anthonydb: 15 years ago, the prog was the IT guy in the air conditioned room downstairs. Now, the prog is the journo next to you #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:16Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @MacDivaONA: Q2 I find it differs from shop to shop. In some places, they’re integral to the reporting teams. In others, they’re grunts. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:28:14Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @newswithnumbers: journalists and coders… should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:59Z
- jordanfifer (Jordan Fifer)
- @alexschmidt @hubertallen I think many programmers aren’t journalists. Only now are journalists becoming programmers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:59Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- @hgondo thats hilarious! #Wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:49Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @BrianManzullo Yeah, the question is what skill sets they have beyond the programming and how familiar the others are w/what they do #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:45Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @webjournalist True, but I think the idea is so that I’m more market-able & media outlets can use “one-man band” person(s). #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:37Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @newswithnumbers: journalists and coders… should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:34Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- 15 years ago, the programmer was the IT guy in the air conditioned room downstairs. Now, the programmer is the journo next to you. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:34Z
- kmcurry (Kevin Curry)
- RT @onyxfish: Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker’s skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:29Z
- JoanJHuang (Joan Huang)
- Greetings #wjchat. I’m Joan Huang, a grad student in quant soc sci methods. I like data, I like news, & so find myself in your fine company.
- 2010-02-18T01:27:27Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @alexschmidt @hubertallen too much input from them may not be what you want though! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:23Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Q2 we’re in this kinda strange spot between platform vs project. Most of what we do takes journalism + data to make new platform
- 2010-02-18T01:27:22Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- @alexschmidt @hubertallen If that is the case you are simply hiring the wrong programmers. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:21Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @hubertallen Do you want them as short order cooks? Or do you want them pitching ideas? I want them pitching/shaping sites. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:27:17Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Q2: wherever you can be useful. Personally, that has meant50% internal tools, 25 CAR, 25 external #Wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:56Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- @kleinmatic #wjchat NICAR yes!
- 2010-02-18T01:26:46Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- @newswithnumbers Definitely. Collaborating usually produces better results. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:45Z
- kensands (Ken)
- #wjchat I’m not a coder but I like to eavesdrop.
- 2010-02-18T01:26:41Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Q2 I find it differs from shop to shop. In some places, they’re integral to the reporting teams. In others, they’re grunts. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:33Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat Q2: We work in the newsroom, in close contact with reporters and editors, often early in their reporting, helping collect data, etc.
- 2010-02-18T01:26:33Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- Our first programmer wanted to be part of the visioning team and that set us back a year…still trying to clean up #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:31Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- reporters do give me most of my data and I have a wonderful data analyst at my disposal. They give me data and I make it engaging #wjchat Q2
- 2010-02-18T01:26:27Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @hubertallen good point. i’ve often wondered why they don’t seem 2 have their own opinions. maybe code takes up too much brain space #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:23Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @RobinJP: Q2: if you’re not using a web developer in a full partnership in the newsroom you are crazy … ours is, and I hope he thinks so.. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:21Z
- schwanksta (Ken Schwencke)
- Work with reporters, build web apps, scrape/crunch data, write tools. Ideally: unilateral decisionmakers. #wjchat #stillacirclejerk
- 2010-02-18T01:26:19Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @kleinmatic Half the team, @ryanmark and I, will be at NICAR. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:12Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- Working closely with the journalists not only makes sense, it gets a hacker’s skin in the game. By-lines are motivation to excel. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:12Z
- anthonydb (Anthony DeBarros)
- I’ll be at NICAR … on a couple panels and teaching a hands-on class. Wouldn’t miss it! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:26:07Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- #wjchat Q2 What role do programmers play in our organization? I’d like to start with them EXISTING. ;-)
- 2010-02-18T01:25:57Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Heh – RT @hubertallen: Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:55Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @hgondo YES! I forgot to mention that… maintenance is a HUGE time suck. When we post something online it’s forever! Can’t avoid it #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:48Z
- stretchphoto (Stretch Ledford)
- RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:45Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @kleinmatic One here! And I’m pumped! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:42Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- hubertallen Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:37Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @majorh we make a good stab at it, i think. it’s our own version of agile, but it helps. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:36Z
- newswithnumbers (Numbers Guy)
- journalists and coders… should work closely like journalists and photographers? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:34Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- @mattwaite Right, and have better ammunition against scope creep when you can bring it back to features serving journalist mission. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:21Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- RT @hubertallen: Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:17Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- Curious how many #wjchat participants are going to NICAR next month in Phoenix.
- 2010-02-18T01:25:09Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @derekwillis: Q2 at NYT we play a growing role in how we do data & storytelling on the web. they also solve problems for the newsroom and users. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:25:02Z
- Shishev (Stoyan Shishev)
- RT @onemoreryan #wjchat Hey, I’m Ryan Pitts, editor for digital media @spokesmanreview. I wrangle Django, databases and web design.
- 2010-02-18T01:25:00Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @breannagaddie Honestly, I don’t think that makes sense. A photoj should focus on their craft, but be plugged into Web & Dev needs. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:56Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- @michelleminkoff not often we do random tasks for the newsrooms. the probs i mentioned are more substantial and have a web use. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:50Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- Programmers are like short order cooks. They make only what we order. Would like to see more of their ideas #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:41Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:34Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @emilymerwin I tend to do the same. We only got our own programmer at @GMUStudentMedia last year, makes a huge difference. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:31Z
- codyshotwell (Cody Shotwell)
- congrats! RT @AbsolutEvan: Hi everyone. Recent graduate of ASU J-School and just hired at AZ Capitol Times #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:24Z
- Chanders (Chanders)
- On the train and blackberry bound, but just wanted to let #wjchat Im following the hashtag
- 2010-02-18T01:24:24Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- @vanguardiste it mostly helps translating newsroom intent into code. Having worked with editors, you know what they want vs say #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:21Z
- yelvington (Steve Yelvington)
- We do more plumbing than journalism at corporate. Hoping to shift the balance on that with crossbreed hires. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:15Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @derekwillis Do you find that helping w/random tasks around newsroom interrupts flow of development time? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:09Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- RT @jaosullivanx: We’re so far behind the world, people here still read papers RT @Walldo How can news orgs stay alive without folks focused on web? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:00Z
- shortformernie (Ernie Smith)
- Peeking my head in. Ernie Smith of Washington Post Express and http://shortformblog.com/. I’m kinda cool. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:24:00Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @webjournalist yes but usually they are running around just fixing glitches and hardware #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:43Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- Q2: if you’re not using a web developer in a full partnership in the newsroom you are crazy … ours is, and I hope he thinks so.. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:41Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat Q2: We work in the newsroom, in close contact with reporters and editors, often early in their reporting, helping collect data, etc.
- 2010-02-18T01:23:38Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat Have all key talent in-house or buy them in (Apple). It’s like globalization theory: the mixture of talent ignites creative hubs.
- 2010-02-18T01:23:36Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- We’re so far behind the world, people here still read papers RT @Walldo How can news orgs stay alive without folks focused on web? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:34Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- Q2: Ideally,progs are seen as practicing journ, sometimes integrated w/projects, sometimes stand-alone pieces. Doesn’t happen often. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:26Z
- msjardijn (martin sjardijn)
- you mean #wjchat?
- 2010-02-18T01:23:15Z
- KatieRogers (Katie Rogers)
- Talented Trib team RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, yall are the first to know, were built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:11Z
- ro_ra (Aurora Nemirow)
- @MDiTVOrg is a brand-new company and the role of the tech people is still being ironed out; they wear many hats. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:09Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- RT @emilymerwin: oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:08Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- Q2: 80% should be developing the site: tools for journos, latest tech experiments and better user features. 20% editorial projects. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:23:00Z
- onemoreryan (Ryan Pitts)
- #wjchat Hey, I’m Ryan Pitts, editor for digital media @spokesmanreview. I wrangle Django, databases and web design.
- 2010-02-18T01:22:38Z
- selfmadepsyche (Megan Taylor)
- Programmers are building modules for the website, working on the CMS (not production tho). Would like to see interactives, apps. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:37Z
- mattctweets (matt carmichael)
- Very cool! RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, y’all are the first to know, we’re built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq
- 2010-02-18T01:22:32Z
- ballock (Andrea Ballocchi)
- RT @CalFitzSimmons: Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:22Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @alexschmidt right; and we pay bunches just getting contractors 2 become familiar with the code, and they also have other projects #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:20Z
- derekwillis (Derek Willis)
- Q2 at NYT we play a growing role in how we do data & storytelling on the web. they also solve problems for the newsroom and users. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:17Z
- onyxfish (Christopher Groskopf)
- RT @brianboyer: #wjchat, to accompany our just-released server stack, we’re built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq
- 2010-02-18T01:22:14Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @alexschmidt Just to clarify, Sunlight Foundationwas an example — ran out of characters. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:08Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q2 No programmers; I do the programming, if anything. But news orgs should def. have one, constantly working on new things #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:05Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @majorh We’re an agile shop. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:02Z
- MacDivaONA (Chrys Wu)
- Since we’re talking coding, Pragmatic Programmers is offering 40% off its books thru its Invite a Friend program. DM me for deets. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:02Z
- aqadan (Abdurrahman Qadan)
- bugs* #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:22:00Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- iPhone tweetdeck melting down with all the updates. Switching to lurking. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:58Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- Feeling you on that! RT @emilymerwin oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:40Z
- aqadan (Abdurrahman Qadan)
- outsourcing programming tasks works..yes. but a program is never completed, it’s constantly being fixed by it’s bug.. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:39Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Hacker journalists are my fav approach, like @brianboyer, folks that can dev cool apps but have that natural journalist eye 4 news #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:29Z
- BreannaGaddie (Breanna Gaddie)
- @webjournalist I think “resources” is the key operative word here. This is why even I’ve (a PJ) been told to learn code. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:27Z
- mtdukes (Tyler Dukes)
- #wjchat Q1: Have a 4-member Web team, but our knowledge is primarily in reporting & editing. Very little coding skillz, but we’ve got heart!
- 2010-02-18T01:21:23Z
- CalFitzSimmons (Cal FitzSimmons)
- Journalists and coders should work closely together because two sorts of creativity are at play and can mean great things. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:18Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:17Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:14Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- oh what I would give for a designer! I design and program all of my projects top to bottom #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:21:11Z
- mattctweets (matt carmichael)
- #WJCHAT Q1 joining late. I’m with Crain’s Chicago Business. We have almost no internal developers. You can guess if that’s enough.
- 2010-02-18T01:21:08Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- I find it hard to innovate when keeping up can be hard enough for orgs. with few resources. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:59Z
- majorh (Major Highfield)
- Any developers finding ways of using Scrum/Agile in a newsroom setting? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:50Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @hgondo total catch 22 #wjchat i think this is the reason consultants end up getting hired
- 2010-02-18T01:20:45Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat, y’all are the first to know, to accompany our just-released server stack, we’re built a hot GeoDjango demo app: http://j.mp/9OWpOq
- 2010-02-18T01:20:44Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:27Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- @msjardijn martinplease add #wjchat to our replies to engage in the discussion #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:21Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @hgondo Yeah, that’s the other problem. Web Devs are expensive and University folk are dealing with tight budgets. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:17Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Q2 What role do programmers play in your organization? What should the ideal role be? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:20:13Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- #wjchat and the cost comes from more managers, developers stayed the same. Three developers sounds like a lot if you know what you’re doing.
- 2010-02-18T01:20:10Z
- SuziSteffen (Suzi Steffen)
- @Walldo It’s possible for small news orgs, like alt-weekly & other niche pubs, to do just fine w/print … for now. FUTURE though? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:19:42Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @alexschmidt It would certainly allow you to focus on certain programming languages, also prob. an increase in speed. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:19:40Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @pekkapekkala Outsourcing programming could be a new trend with such tight resources… but you do lose that in-house innovation . #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:19:36Z
- emilymerwin (Emily Merwin)
- RT @pekkapekkala: @webjournalist HS.fi outsourced programmers = death of quick development + skyrocketing cost. Now there has been small movement back #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:19:20Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @alexschmidt If you’re the Sunlight Fdtn, you’re dealing with a lot of govt data, so it probably makes sense to focus on DBs/apps. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:19:19Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @alexschmidt @greglinch vision is imp. but vision gets back seat 2 finances, & prolly why finance problems r there in 1st place #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:18:53Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @RobinJP: @mtodd #wjchat conversation tonight about coders and journalists .. weekly discussion about web journalism.. jump in.
- 2010-02-18T01:18:51Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @mattwaite Do you find that journalism experience helpful in working w/those two programmers? Does it translate to greater success? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:18:42Z
- pekkapekkala (Pekka Pekkala)
- @webjournalist HS.fi outsourced programmers = death of quick development + skyrocketing cost. Now there has been small movement back #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:18:37Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @jaosullivanx How can any news org stay alive without folks focused on the web? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:18:23Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- @mtodd #wjchat conversation tonight about coders and journalists .. weekly discussion about web journalism.. jump in.
- 2010-02-18T01:18:00Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- @SLODeveloper Yeah, it would be nice to have someone on-hand who is a dedicated designer. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:18:00Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Er… #wjchat We have split beyween Online devs, who focus on ad-driven apps, and the newsroom team.
- 2010-02-18T01:17:49Z
- markschaver (Mark Schaver)
- #wjchat Q1 Nobody doing it full-time for news. Me part-time, a Web guy sometimes and an IT guy who helps once in a while.
- 2010-02-18T01:17:36Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Of the six pure developers, two have journalism experience. I was a reporter for 10 years before trying to build internets.
- 2010-02-18T01:17:26Z
- BrianManzullo (Brian Manzullo)
- Q1 I acted as online editor of @CMLIFE in the fall, but it’s nice having someone else direct Web initiatives now (@DavidVeselenak) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:17:21Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- Two minutes until Q2. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:17:10Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- @michelleminkoff Definitely. IT is plumbing. Useful, but not like content. Our work is journalism. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:16:59Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group.
- 2010-02-18T01:16:57Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- @greglinch good point…example of how a vision might guide programming priorities? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:16:44Z
- DawnVanNess (Dawn Van Ness)
- RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group.
- 2010-02-18T01:16:37Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- @alexschmidt I think a good, capable programmer is the most important place to first put resources #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:16:33Z
- mtodd (Matt Todd)
- WTF is #wjchat?
- 2010-02-18T01:16:31Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- We can’t convince our higher-ups to hire a dedicated a web person. Part of the reason I’m on here. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:16:29Z
- ballock (Andrea Ballocchi)
- RT @wjchat: Q1 How many programmers/developers are in your organization? Is that enough? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:16:22Z
- yousaidit (YouSaidIt)
- Never been to a #wjchat, neat idea. Charles Borwick co-founder YouSaidIt.
- 2010-02-18T01:16:21Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- RT @wjchat: REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group.
- 2010-02-18T01:16:12Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- We are hiring objective-c and/or actionscripters please apply to @thilosavage #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:51Z
- webjournalist (Robert Hernandez)
- @kategardiner So true! But it’s hard to point that out to companies/newsrooms some times. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:39Z
- gotoPlanB (David Stanton)
- @michelleminkoff Especially at small place, often have to do some IT. Makes it tough to ship projects when you have to do IT tasks. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:36Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- RT @Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it’s a luxury. I always say re dev: “there’s good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two.”
- 2010-02-18T01:15:31Z
- greglinch (Greg Linch)
- @alexschmidt I think that depends on the news org. Overall, it’s important to have clear vision and then determine from there. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:29Z
- jameswilkerson (jameswilkerson)
- #wjchat Q1 – 2 of us doing a lot of web/data projects + a great tech person helping with back-end stuff.
- 2010-02-18T01:15:29Z
- SLODeveloper (Danny Thorogood)
- Q1: We have 1 dev at @slotribune. Given our size it’s probably enough, but I’d love to have a designer #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:17Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- @vanguardiste absolutely .. gold, coffee, cheet-os. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:12Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- @thilosavage fine PHP wins. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:06Z
- mattwynn (mattwynn)
- Two guys who kind of guess-and-check their way through code, a front-end guy, and a PT Flex/viz guru. We’re hiring! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:15:02Z
- wjchat (wjchat)
- REMINDER: Message @wjchat (w/o the hashtag #wjchat) if you have a specific Q you want to ask the moderator or the group.
- 2010-02-18T01:15:02Z
- kleinmatic (Scott Klein)
- ProPublica has 4 ppl in news apps department. Including me. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:58Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- @alexschmidt Fancy app is just window dressing, you need to have a full sales floor to keep them coming back. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:49Z
- erikgable (Erik Gable)
- Q1 Nobody dedicated to the Web full-time, on news side or sales side. Lots of people who work it in w/ other duties. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:37Z
- jaosullivanx (Joseph O’Sullivan)
- RT @Digidave: #wjchat We have two right now. But it’s a luxury. I always say re dev: “there’s good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two.” Choose wisely.
- 2010-02-18T01:14:33Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @underoak Do you work any with the @CLTBlog crew? I used to work w/them a bit when I lived in Charlotte! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:28Z
- harrisj (Jacob Harris)
- I am on vacation with only a BlackBerry, so I’m just saying hi briefly to confirm all rumors about @derekwillis #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:28Z
- hubertallen (Olivia Hubert Allen)
- 4, I think @pilotnews … but we have to compete with other departments for their attention. NOT enough! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:25Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- @emilyingram welcome back. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:23Z
- mattwaite (Matt Waite)
- #wjchat Q1 under the most liberal definitions, we have 10, and that’s not close to enough. 4 of them have other jobs/responsibilities.
- 2010-02-18T01:14:12Z
- thilosavage (Thilo Savage)
- @diedsj All I’m saying is.. Which has more capital letters? PHP or Perl? All I’m saying.. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:12Z
- michelleminkoff (Michelle Minkoff)
- @SuziSteffen I think programming and IT getting lumped together is a really common problem. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:14:08Z
- alexschmidt (alexschmidt)
- Q1 (follow up) so where is best place to put limited resources? hefty DB/CMS? fancy app to get noticed? #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:44Z
- emilyingram (Emily Ingram)
- Hey all. I’m a senior at the University of Nebraska and – depending on the day – a Web producer, multimedia journo or copy editor. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:31Z
- SuziSteffen (Suzi Steffen)
- I should say our developer is also our IT guy, also does everything tech-related, phones to printers … SO not enough time. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:26Z
- Digidave (David Cohn)
- #wjchat We have two right now. But it’s a luxury. I always say re dev: “there’s good, fast and cheap. You get to pick two.” Choose wisely.
- 2010-02-18T01:13:24Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- @RobinJP They are worth their weight in gold. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:13Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- Q1 But, Herald’s main journal/programmer left in January, and main non-journ programmer in December … #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:12Z
- diedsj (Diederik)
- @thilosavage please go read the Llama book k thx bye #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:13:05Z
- hgondo (harumi gondo)
- UPI has a one-man show who is a WIZ! UPIU has one on contract and it is way not enuff! makes me wanna cry! #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:12:58Z
- underoak (Andria Krewson)
- Hello all. I’m a freelance writer/editor/ consultant in Charlotte. Lurking mostly, while sitting in a web design meetup IRL. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:12:52Z
- brianboyer (Brian Boyer)
- #wjchat There are four general-purpose hacker journalists on our team in the newsroom. Many more programmers inside TribCo.
- 2010-02-18T01:12:34Z
- RobinJP (Robin Phillips)
- we have one developer out of a total of 6 staff… he has the strength of thousands. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:12:28Z
- loritodd (Lori Todd)
- Q1: I left the Miami Herald in January, where we had 2 in the newsroom, and collab’d w/ three others “interactive” (not edit) #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:12:14Z
- Chronotope (Aram Zucker-Scharff)
- Q1 We have one developer and me at @GMUStudentMedia. We can definitely use more. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:12:04Z
- Walldo (Brandon Wall)
- Our webcrwe is 6. I have no idea how big the STNG city web team is. In college the team was just me. Relaunched our site on WP solo. #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:11:57Z
- vanguardiste (Bethany Waggoner)
- One! It’s me and it’s definitely not enough, LOL. I’m always calling on my more tech savvy friends to help me learn #wjchat
- 2010-02-18T01:11:52Z
- andrewspittle (Andrew Spittle)
- Little late to #w