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Chat 3.5.2014 Math for journalists

March 6, 2014 - Posted in #wjchat archives , Web Journalism Posted by:

4:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @markstencel: Digital gig with instant influence on the future of news: @Poynter hiring an online editor http://t.co/eVHTOCsfWn #wjchat

Patrick Cooper
@btrpkc


4:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ax_li yeaahhh! #wjchat Bay Area unite!

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


4:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @scottleadingham: Journalists: “Beware sloppiness when reporting on surveys”: http://t.co/VYV2Ea7GlR (aka Don’t help others “lie with nu

Gene Park
@GenePark


4:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @scottleadingham: Journalists: “Beware sloppiness when reporting on surveys”: http://t.co/VYV2Ea7GlR (aka Don’t help others “lie with nu

Jeff Cutler
@JeffCutler


4:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


4:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @mattwaite Can I just talk about math? ;-) #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


4:52 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


4:52 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb @wjchat @mattwaite HA! Only you’d say that. #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


4:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
MATH http://t.co/KB4xXSrB97 #wjchat

Digital First cat
@DFNewsCat


4:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
The #wjchat chat starts in 5 mins. http://t.co/uiuHCahyqo #ChatSalad

ChatSalad
@ChatSalad


4:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
FIVE MINUTES RT @DFNewsCat: MATH http://t.co/bFVVEeT4gq #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


4:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Math is not my strong suit (for some reason my iPhone calc loves it), so I’m very interested in tonight’s #wjchat. :)

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


4:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

LA NACION Data
@LNdata


4:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio Great to hear! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


4:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: FIVE MINUTES RT @DFNewsCat: MATH http://t.co/bFVVEeT4gq #wjchat

LA NACION Data
@LNdata


4:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

midrivermusic
@midrivermusic


4:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: MATH http://t.co/KB4xXSrB97 #wjchat

Sherman Smith
@TCJShermanSmith


4:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Nice to meet you! I actually worked for the World-Herald (http://t.co/BPRt9xMeCz) before moving out to Phoenix. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


4:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat: Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
First time in a while. There will be tweets | MT @wjchat: Join us NOW to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Aaaaaaand here we go. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Welcome to the 209th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for web journalists. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Join us! RT @wjchat Welcome to the 209th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for web journalists. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Let’s get started! Please introduce yourself, respond to questions & share your knowledge! #DontJustBeALurker #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ax_li RT @wjchat: Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

Caitlin White
@CaitlinWhite3


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@acnatta “There will be tweets” ha! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Awww YEAH! | RT @wjchat: Aaaaaaand here we go. #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Ed Borasky, math geek #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: Join us! RT @wjchat Welcome to the 209th episode of #wjchat, a weekly discussion for web journalists. #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
first time joining #wjchat – talking math and journalists

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hello, all at #wjchat! Martha here in Seattle. Web journo at @KPLU.

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hi #wjchat. I’m lead developer at @documentcloud. I’m terrible at arithmetic, but have had to suck it up & deal.

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Hey, #wjchat, it’s Latrice Davis! It’s been a while since I’ve participated; I hope I have something worthwhile 2 offer.

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
(REMINDER: It’s not too late to send us your Qs! Please direct to @wjchat) #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hi! I’m Josh. I’m a web producer/digital reporter for @abc15 in Phoenix. Happy Wednesday! #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Checking in to #wjchat

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite you forgot the #wjchat hashtag :D

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat Howdy all. I’m me, professor of journalism at @Unl_CoJMC, founder of @DroneJLab developer of @PolitiFact #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard Welcome! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hello, I’m Senwhaa and I’m a graduate student at the @uofmemphis. We are all logging in from our social media class #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
PROTIP: Spare non- #wjchat people by starting your reply with @wjchat.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
first time joing #wjchat..discussing math and journalism. hello!

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Lillian Cohen-Moore, freelance journalist. Dipping in/out of #wjchat tonight, I’m playing a game for a review that’s due soon.

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks Welcome! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Grad student at the U of Memphis in Journalism and PR, first time checking out the #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat I’m new. Faith’s my name and math is not my thang.

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat @faithproducer Exactly! Lol. Maybe 2+5=7 but something like that!

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ax_li Great to finally chat with you. Welcome to the team! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
+1 RT @wjchat: Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

Angi Carter
@ReachAngi


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Hello #wjchat-ers! Andre Natta, founder @bhamterminal in AL. I like what y’all have done with the place! How’s it going?

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Julia Duin, Jackson, TN, also from said social media class. Hate math.

Julia Duin
@juliaduin


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Awesome! RT @SenwhaaLim @wjchat I’m Senwhaa and I’m a grad student at @uofmemphis. We are all logging in from our social media class #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks have fun. Learn lots. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat How much does knowing math in a social media field make you more invaluable to your company? #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I haz come prepared for math in journalism. #wjchat http://t.co/0W5AF4YhDF

Digital First cat
@DFNewsCat


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Let’s get started. Here comes a two-fer for Q1. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat first time joining wjchat! Grad student at the U of M in Sport Commerce.

Ashley Mitchell
@ashmitch14


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I’m Aaron Hepker, Online Editor at KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, #Iowa. #wjchat

Aaron Hepker
@ahepker


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Join us in 10 MINUTES to talk math + journalism with host @mattwaite! #wjchat

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat hey #wjchat! Teresa in Boston here. I do digital news training for pubradio. How goes it?

Teresa Gorman
@gteresa


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@SenwhaaLim Glad you asked. We’ll get to that later in the chat! :) #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I’m seeing a lot of “hate math” and “math not my thing” tweets already. http://t.co/U8Xdun1TEH #wjchat

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Now I make a not-so-smooth transition into #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat First timer here. I’m extremely interested in data analysis but not a math fan! Grad student at UoMemphis. Former PR Exec.! Hi!

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q1A Why math? I hate math. (Kidding!) Why is math is important for journalism? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Bobbie Maynard, exec director comm & mktg at Tennessee Tech and grad student at University of Memphis #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Haaa! RT @mattwaite: @wjchat I’m seeing a lot of “hate math” and “math not my thing” tweets already. http://t.co/KcJc7lpeSf #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev thank you! that’s the hope. ;) #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:06 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Math. Ouch. That hurts. #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


5:06 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q1A It helps us provide context when you get the math right. Most times. #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:06 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite hahaha. Indeed. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:06 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I’m OK with basic math — and am not afraid to use it when needed — but am not-so-good with anything beyond pre-calculus. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1a “Follow the money” is what every journalist should do. Have to do math for that. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison.

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat I hate math so much, but I want to learn data journalism so much #conflictofinterest #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @melody_gordon: @mattwaite @wjchat I hate math so much, but I want to learn data journalism so much #conflictofinterest #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Math is important to journalism because statistics and facts can help prove your point. People like facts & numbers #wjchat

Aesia Toliver
@A_Tolly


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hello everyone, I”m Pat Hogan, a producer at DFM THunderdome and a converted mathvangelist, although I prefer arithmemancer #wjchat

Patrick Hogan
@phogan


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @wjchat As a young professional that’s beginning to analyze social media analytics, I think this would be helpful #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Hi! First timer here from the University Of Memphis. Not a friend of math, but this should be interesting.

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A basic understanding of numbers is helpful for covering political elections and understanding polling and percentages…? #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison.

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A most of reality is measured using math. Don’t know basic math? Don’t know how to actually explain/understand reality. #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I swear if I forget the #wjchat hashtag one more time …

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ccarter567 Welcome! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison.

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Incredibly important in our increasingly data-saturated society. And it sure will help you get a job. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Heehe! RT @mattwaite: I swear if I forget the #wjchat hashtag one more time …

wjchat
@wjchat


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
MT @wjchat Q1A Why is math is important for #journalism? #wjchat // Because it can provide depth and context to many issues. 1/2

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A1: gotta know analytics – show why the content you’re producing is relevant and has an audience #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat at all levels of journalism, local and beyond, math is key. Budgets, politics, data! #wjchat It helps you tell your stories

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Found out that I really loved the data aspect of Jour. & Social Media analysis while working on a dashboard for the liberty movement

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Aloha #wjchat, Gene, engagement editor at @CivilBeat in Honolulu. Also not a fan of math. Math/data shouldve been required in the j-track.

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat MT @mattwaite: I’m a sinner just like you. I hated math. The fact is, you are surrounded by data, and math is a way to talk to it

wjchat
@wjchat


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: #wjchat MT @mattwaite: I’m a sinner just like you. I hated math. The fact is, you are surrounded by data, and math is a way to

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Why math? RT @Brizzyc: @wjchat Incredibly important in our increasingly data-saturated society. And it sure will help you get a job. #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

Carla Astudillo
@carla_astudi


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@GenePark @ivanlajara @LiciBev Heyo! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Being literate in math is pretty necessary for life, not just journalism. #wjchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @barry_parks: A basic understanding of numbers is helpful for covering political elections and understanding polling and percentages…?

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A people will try to lie to you with math. You should know enough to call them on their bullshit. #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Today we’re talking math + journalism with our host, @mattwaite! #wjchat

SEJ.ORG
@sejorg


5:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hi everyone! Math is as important in journalism as commas, verbs and proper spelling. #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Heehe! RT @mattwaite: I swear if I forget the #wjchat hashtag one more time ..<<< me too lol #wjchat .

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat As @SenwhaaLim just said, numbers are also good for social media analytics. You want to impress your boss, too! #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Good thing about math in modern times? We carry around calculators all day in our smartphones. #wjchat

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat So you can call officials on data in spreadsheets. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks It most DEFINITELY is! Something I have struggled with while advising campaigns. I really want to learn more about it. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Q1A: Depending on how they’re presented, numbers can be a reliable fact to use in stories.

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas Hello, you! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @GenePark: @wjchat Good thing about math in modern times? We carry around calculators all day in our smartphones. #wjchat

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A At some point it becomes fun – when you can do tricks, for example ;-) #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A We live in a data rich world, much of which is or is translated into numbers. Our readers need us to translate. #wjchat

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A1 (cont.): It helps readers answers basic #journalism questions like “how does this affect me?” & “why should I care abt this?” 2/2 #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
OK. Let’s dig deeper: Q1B What kind of math are we talking here? Calculus? Stats? Algebra? Which should I choose? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A e.g. Startups represent themselves in the best light w/ numbers they publish. Remember Groupon’s astronomical valuation? #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison.

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @lilyorit: @wjchat A1A We live in a data rich world, much of which is or is translated into numbers. Our readers need us to translate. #

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
And hi! I’m Ivan, w/ @dailyfreeman and an engagement ed with #dfm. I also like to do charticles, with math! http://t.co/5VpcEXlXgQ #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @knowtheory: @wjchat A1A e.g. Startups represent themselves in the best light w/ numbers they publish. Remember Groupon’s astronomical v

wjchat
@wjchat


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q1B It’s a continuum. You start with algebra because other things don’t make sense without it. Stats is the goal.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q1B: stats, logic, being able to fact check numbersin whatever way that means. #wjchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Numbers grab viewers attention. High crime rates, property values, etc. We have to know some math to make it plain for viewers.

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat – for all you UMemphis folks – is there a class on campus, online or at Lambuth that teaches data analysis?

Julia Duin
@juliaduin


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Being able to read patterns in math can yield interesting stories #wjchat

Ela Stapley
@elastapley


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q1B It’s a continuum. You start with algebra because other things don’t make sense without it. Stats is the

wjchat
@wjchat


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q1B Frankly, I just busted my ass taking calculus, and I kept waiting for that Eureka! moment of a story idea. Never came.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1B I’d say linear algebra, calculus and statistics are the minimum if your beat is finance / economics #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mkramer: @wjchat Q1B: stats, logic, being able to fact check numbersin whatever way that means. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I’d say statistics is most relevant, applied math #wjchat

Aesia Toliver
@A_Tolly


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Most stories are only newsworthy because of numbers. If you dont understand the numbers, dont write the story. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat Q1B What kind of math are we talking here? Calculus? Stats? Algebra? Which should I choose? #wjchat // It depends on ur audience.

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Statistics is integral to media and reporting #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mkramer Hey, there! Nice to see you. #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat Most stories are only newsworthy because of numbers. If you dont understand the numbers, dont write the story. #wj

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Martha_Kang hey nice to see you too! #wjchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Yep, this | RT @barry_parks: Statistics is integral to media and reporting #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1B Depends on your beat! But stats is SUPER helpful across a lot of beats, and algebra will get you there. #wjchat

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @barry_parks: Statistics is integral to media and reporting #wjchat

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q1B I’m told calculus opens up some stats stuff, but I’m still searching for that moment.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q1B Frankly, I just busted my ass taking calculus, and I kept waiting for that Eureka! moment of a story ide

wjchat
@wjchat


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Most math (usually just arithmetic) that journalists need really isn’t that complex. #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q1B I think basic statistics and ability to use Excel to understand and parse data is critical, at minimum. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat Most stories are only newsworthy because of numbers. If you dont understand the numbers, dont write the story. #wj

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A1B: i’ve never had to use calculus, but basic understanding of math fundamentals, especially percentages, and of course statistics #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat Most stories are only newsworthy because of numbers. If you dont understand the numbers, dont write the story. #wj

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Stats is probably the most useful way to present a lot of difficult material #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q1B I’m told calculus opens up some stats stuff, but I’m still searching for that moment.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1b calculus, statistics, basic math. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat But real talk here? There’s Math, and there’s Journalist Math. The day to day math you need isn’t that tough. But …

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Also as someone new to Python math and logic play a huge role. Programming = literacy in math. #wjchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
At @ucbsoj we had “numeracy” – felt like math for dummies. Any recs on appropriate resources for intelligent journos? #wjchat

Avni Nijhawan
@theavni


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1B Depends on what you do. Algebra is a foundation for other things. Stats is important. Calc can be depending. #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Yeah definitely stats is the goal. And basic physics. Essentially applied algebra and calculus. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @znmeb @wjchat … And Local and national budgets and earnings (losses) … Remember ‘Follow the money’ #wjchat

Jilted Journalists
@jiltedjournos


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mkramer: @wjchat Also as someone new to Python math and logic play a huge role. Programming = literacy in math. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A1B (cont.): I’m a BIG fan of K.I.S.S. theory when it comes 2 #journalism, & math no exception 2 that. Basics never go out of style! #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Hi, y’all: I wonder whether it’s more impt for journos to understand math, or statistics? Any use in making a distinction? #wjchat

midrivermusic
@midrivermusic


5:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q1b. Start with #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat in sport, obviously stats are probably the most valuable to any sport franchise for players and even a fan behaviors. #wjchat

Ashley Mitchell
@ashmitch14


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat In undergrad they said “You’re a writer, don’t worry about math.” Which was exactly what 18-year-old me wanted to hear #wjchat

Patrick Hogan
@phogan


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat … you need the foundations. You need that way of thinking. It takes time and effort.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Building an interactive story around stats: Do readers really like this or just other journos? #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @knowtheory: @wjchat A1A people will try to lie to you with math. You should know enough to call them on their bullshit. #wjchat

Kaeti
@kaeti


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Linear algebra, statistics and calculus are intertwined – I’d combine them in the curriculum for non-scientists #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Math is important for figures in stories. Also important for business, sales revenue, and calculating mobile growth. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Ive taken multi. var. calc. and linear algebra. Do I use them? No. Are they occasionally useful for sourcing? Yes. #WJchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@juliaduin take research, it teaches how to do all of this #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat … you need the foundations. You need that way of thinking. It takes time and effort.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Stats are probably most useful. But more important is interpreting the data correctly and communicating it accurately. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @phogan: @wjchat In undergrad they said “You’re a writer, don’t worry about math.” Which was exactly what 18-year-old me wanted to hear

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q1B I actually used geometry yesterday to double check something in a map. Big if you’re doing anything spatial #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat True. But you have to be able to understand what the numbers mean in addition to doing the math. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @juliaduin: #wjchat – for all you UMemphis folks – is there a class on campus, online or at Lambuth that teaches data analysis?

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mkramer: @wjchat Q1B: stats, logic, being able to fact check numbersin whatever way that means. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
And by , I mean functions in spreadsheets. So Excel. Google Drive, etc. THEN FUSION. #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @wjchat From what I’ve experienced, knowledge of excel will take your far in social media analytics #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mkramer @wjchat You’re ready for differential equations then! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Statistics I would think to be the most obvious choice, for CAR and analysis of data. #wjchat

Bret Weaver
@Bret_Weaver


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat Sorry, but isn’t that a little like expecting a genius idea to come by studying the dictionary? #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Well said MT @davidplazas Stats prob most useful. More important is interpreting the data correctly, communicating it accurately. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Stats stuff beyond what 99.99% of journos need. You dont need to derive area of a normal distribution to use dist. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

Jodi Gersh
@jodiontheweb


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
excel can be your best friend – took an entire course on it one semester – powerful tool if you make the most use of it #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Ha! RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/Jg6paabOe5

wjchat
@wjchat


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat lol I’m on my phone and things are slow. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Indoctrinated: Most math (usually just arithmetic) that journalists need really isn’t that complex. #wjchat

I. Campbell
@calgal93


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@juliaduin Looks like you haven’t taken the Research Methods class yet… you’ll get all the statistics you want and then some. #wjchat

Bret Weaver
@Bret_Weaver


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Here comes Q2: Share an example when math or numeracy came up in your work in journalism. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Oh shit. I am so so late. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @phogan: @wjchat In undergrad they said “You’re a writer, don’t worry about math.” Which was exactly what 18-year-old me wanted to hear

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@kimbui It happens! And you’re not that late. :) #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
SPSS is another program that can make life easier in crunching data #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@melody_gordon Good ? to ask.I haven’t seen real recent numbers,but often those stories/databases do well in terms of traffic #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Bret_Weaver: @juliaduin Looks like you haven’t taken the Research Methods class yet… you’ll get all the statistics you want and then

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers.

Gene Park
@GenePark


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @mattwaite Stats stuff beyond what 99.99% of journos need. You dont need to derive area of a normal distribution to use dis

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A2 er i had to do this two weeks ago: http://t.co/iUsNlThbim #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers.

Lillian Cohen-Moore
@lilyorit


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A2: As an editor, it came up ALL THE TIME — esp. when I worked on stories originating from the business & sports desks. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@kimbui YOU ARE LATE BUT NOW WE’RE ALL HERE #wjchat http://t.co/OBAneEoqw7

Digital First cat
@DFNewsCat


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
O_o RT @knowtheory: @wjchat A2 er i had to do this two weeks ago: http://t.co/dKfO1uaFte #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@jodiontheweb I love it! I can figure out Soc. Media Analytics for the most part but typically i hear Charlie Brown’s teacher speak. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard Nice! I know some but I always wish I was a better Excel ninja #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat 2. Im currently working on a program that involves mapping lots of hexagons and geometry to work out.
#wjchat

Melody Joy Kramer
@mkramer


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
used to report for a Cumberland Business Journal – so lots of math in crunching unemployment numbers, tourism dollars, etc. #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@knowtheory @wjchat Reindeer? #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @jodiontheweb haha me too Robin! #wjchat

Caitlin White
@CaitlinWhite3


5:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat I’ll give you a completely whacked example. Student and I are building a DIY drought sensor. We dug up some dirt and …

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Watchdog journalism – calculating law enforcement overtime costs. Then comparing numbers across agencies. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
BTW, #wjchat, you know who rocks? @Martha_Kang. She’s the bees knees.

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard @wjchat we use SPSS for a lot in sport. #wjchat

Ashley Mitchell
@ashmitch14


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I created a dashboard focusing on the social media statistics of BBC’s doctor who 50th anniversary campaign #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mkramer: @wjchat 2. Im currently working on a program that involves mapping lots of hexagons and geometry to work out.
#wjchat

Hexagonbot
@Hexagonbot


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers.

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@knowtheory @wjchat Ouch! That’s going to give me a headache. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@kimbui Oh, stop! OK, don’t! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat … and microwaved one, doused the other. Stuck in the probe. And I realized … it’s LINEAR! So I used algebra …

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A2 There are often numerical discrepancies when dollar amounts are in a story, and being able to spot those is invaluable. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@licibev @wjchat It was a sunday. I had a bottle of scotch on hand. #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat so many, our temps project:
http://t.co/GvJ1WnyIRv
We *proved* that it was a problem with math. You cant argue with math. #wjchat

Jeff Larson
@thejefflarson


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A2 (cont.): It’s impossible 2 have ANY news story w/o it incorporating math n some way. It even found its way n2 #Oscars coverage! #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
even spent a weekends counting county license plates, doing percentages to show the economic draw of the major city in our region #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q2: Calculating the number of years since a major event happened. I screwed up that news story. LOL. Lesson learned. #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat – UMemphis folks – the research methods course is not helpful in what we’re discussing here. Need grad level course in data analysis

Julia Duin
@juliaduin


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @knowtheory That *totally doesn’t happen to me when I sip on scotch. :D #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat … the equation of a line, and figured out what percent of soil moisture was present given a value.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Whooooa. #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q2 Just recently broke down the cost of a lease per sq ft and the potential tax revenue from currently held city properties #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are critical to stories that discuss politics, polls, money, etc. Vital to showing/explaining comparison.

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat When a school district tried to pretend 5=2 http://t.co/686hcRo9Zu #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @scottleadingham: Job for journalism nerds: Harvard’s @NiemanLab hiring staff writer/editor: http://t.co/iEASsvnPIo #wjchat

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q2 …and it was insane how much math there was involved. Crazy! #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @acnatta: Q2 Just recently broke down the cost of a lease per sq ft and the potential tax revenue from currently held city properties #w

wjchat
@wjchat


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Voice of the public: MT @Dan39465: I want raw data so I can make up my own mind. I don’t want other’s opinions spoon fed to me. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat A journalist *literally* digging up dirt for a story!! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat I co-wrote this book based on satellite imagery analysis, which was loaaaaded with math: http://t.co/891g4BNhNz

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat our first NSA story:
http://t.co/WH07XC0Ekm
wouldntve seen it without a math background. Journos: learn math, yesterday. #wjchat

Jeff Larson
@thejefflarson


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I co-wrote this book based on satellite imagery analysis, which was loaaaaded with math: http://t.co/891g4BN

wjchat
@wjchat


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I used to not like math but using tools like Excel & using logic have been beneficial for training & reporting. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat The stuff you guys are doing is so cool. Trying to get my students to at least think about all those possiblities #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

Caitlin Kelly
@CaitlinKellyNYC


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Just realized this week’s @wjchat is on math and journalism. I feel participation is mandatory. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Martha_Kang @knowtheory Me neither. I would have to blame it on the cat. :p #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat That sensor and the code are here: https://t.co/cEJClJuIsp

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Numbers are also crucial to developing infographics. Personally, I love them. They’re visual and explanatory. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A2: Ratio of classroom spending to school district administration spending, and did it change over time #wjchat #mathatwork

Jilted Journalists
@jiltedjournos


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat That sensor and the code are here: https://t.co/cEJClJuIsp

wjchat
@wjchat


5:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A2 Im also constantly doing math to get embed ratios right so that videos and social media dont look DUMB. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A2: simply knowing the difference between an arithmetic mean and median. #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio We’re going to delve deeper into that in a few moments! :) #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are also crucial to developing infographics. Personally, I love them. They’re visual and explanatory. #wj

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@juliaduin It’s a core grad level class. You HAVE to take it eventually, and you will analyze much data… #wjchat

Bret Weaver
@Bret_Weaver


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A2: doing expenses #wjchat

Alex Romano
@alexromano


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Developing infographics for election returns, etc. #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Now, where we’ve gone wrong: Q3 What are some common mistakes journalists make when working with stats/data? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @wjchat And…I don’t have hard stats on this in front of me, but infographics get shared A LOT #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
in my current work in comm & mktg, have to analyze metrics and data most of the time for social media, advertising cost and reach #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@alexromano Ha! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I co-wrote this book based on satellite imagery analysis, which was loaaaaded with math: http://t.co/891g4BN

Suzanne DJohnson
@SuzanneinLGB


5:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are also crucial to developing infographics. Personally, I love them. They’re visual and explanatory. #wj

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@TurnerLBT90 @wjchat That sounds really cool. Good reminder that data doesn’t always have to be super serious hard news #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation. ETC. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Confusing terminology like median and average. Not understanding percentage vs. percentage points. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
MT @wjchat Q3 What are some common mistakes journalists make when working with stats/data? #wjchat // Not questioning the methodology.

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q3: @wjchat Means can often be very deceiving. Know when to use a median. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Generally speaking, copying the numbers off a given press release without double-checking accuracy. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #1 assuming the data is correct and not fact checking it. ;) #wjchat

Jeff Larson
@thejefflarson


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat So? Are you asserting that knowing calculus now doesn’t improve your ability to make those connections? #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q3: If they received them from a source, never questioning or investigating the method to how they came up with the stats/data #wjchat

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 Case in point the ridiculous “HTML is an STD” story the LA Times “adopted” as true #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Numbers are also crucial to developing infographics. Personally, I love them. They’re visual and explanatory. #wj

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Most of the time, we go wrong not thinking through what’s there and not asking about how numbers came to being.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 not using the formula correctly. Also, not comparing apples to apples. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3: “Now what do I do with all of this informationnnn” #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 context about numbers. Should you use a relative or absolute number? Avg? Median? How do you figure out? #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers.

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev The apples to apples thing is the one i find most often. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @thejefflarson: @wjchat #1 assuming the data is correct and not fact checking it. ;) #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A3: taking the numbers at face value – numbers can and will be manipulated, misused by those you are interviewing #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@oskargarcia @wjchat #wjchat I doesn’t hurt it, but I never had that HOLY CRAP I CAN DO THIS STORY NOW moment. It may come. Just hasn’t yet.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Most of the time, we go wrong not thinking through what’s there and not asking about how numbers came to bei

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @LiciBev: @wjchat A3 not using the formula correctly. Also, not comparing apples to apples. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 I think a big mistake is presenting numbers without context – so that they have little meaning for readers. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3. Not recognizing when a number is out of whack is a pretty frequent one. Has happened to all of us. #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@melody_gordon @wjchat exactly! But really useful to see how companies can successfully utilize social media and prove it #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Now, where we’ve gone wrong: Q3 What are some common mistakes journalists make when working with stats/data? #wjchat

Guillaume Dumont
@GuillaumeDumont


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3. Far and away worst offender is looking at point estimates in samples and never caring to +/- margin of error. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 Understand the formula/concept before ctrl+c ctrl+v. Tempting to just plow ahead without a reality check. #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Now, where we’ve gone wrong: Q3 What are some common mistakes journalists make when working with stats/data? #wjchat

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3 second worst is not doing any exploratory data analysis / plotting of raw data #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat A3. Far and away worst offender is looking at point estimates in samples and never caring to +/- margin of error. #w

wjchat
@wjchat


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat A3 Want to feel better about your grasp of math? http://t.co/OFFrAjTeGQ

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A3 Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation. E

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat This is one way the dreadful math and data was useful to me! Social Media Analytics & dashboards. http://t.co/qp81UvSeLu

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Most of the time, we go wrong not thinking through what’s there and not asking about how numbers came to bei

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A3 (cont.):Taking numbers @ face value w/o double-checking. All journalists (including me) have done this @ some pt n their careers. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A3 Want to feel better about your grasp of math? http://t.co/OFFrAjTeGQ

wjchat
@wjchat


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q3: Swamping viewers or audience with numbers/data. It becomes overwhelming and makes it difficult to comprehend. #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb @wjchat Assuming that error margins are made available to you – often they aren’t #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q3) I would say not working effectively to crunch the numbers. @wjchat #wjchat

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@kimbui Yeah. It’s so easy to think you hooked a big one only to find out it wasn’t the same thing. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A3 Worst is accepting surveys, polls and studies without nailing down the sponsor and methodolgy! #wjchat

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@MikeRoe @wjchat but it correlated things *can* point to causes just not always. when they do: run! tell that! #wjchat

Jeff Larson
@thejefflarson


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3. Believing ‘data’ chewed up by coupon company’s press releases? http://t.co/SOUcRriijc #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat Quite likely that story ideas you’ve been presented with in past came bc someone else already did math for you. #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Exactly. Extremes throw off means. RT @dataeditor: Q3: @wjchat Means can often be very deceiving. Know when to use a median. #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ax_li @wjchat They published the *links* too – free traffic from LA Times, Time, … #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
So true MT @Brizzyc I think a big mistake is presenting numbers w/out context – so that they have little meaning for readers #wjchat

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Big one. MT @davidplazas: @wjchat Not understanding percentage vs. percentage points. #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q3 @wjchat – It’s important that producers understand what metrics theyre looking at and how the measurements differ. PV vs MUV etc #wjchat

Bret Weaver
@Bret_Weaver


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb If error isnt reported, then just wipe your butt with that data. All its good for. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Playing devil’s advocate, data-crunching is time consuming. News is fast. Most only have hours to plot maps, charts etc. #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb @wjchat I tweeted abt that story yesterday! While I have some doubts abt its validity, it doesn’t seem so farfetched, either. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @oskargarcia: @wjchat Big one. MT @davidplazas: @wjchat Not understanding percentage vs. percentage points. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A3: also people will underestimate you and your abilities — good grasp on math is just another tool to counter them with #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @madamebelle: So true MT @Brizzyc I think a big mistake is presenting numbers w/out context – so that they have little meaning for reade

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Most of the time, we go wrong not thinking through what’s there and not asking about how numbers came to bei

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @znmeb If error isnt reported, then just wipe your butt with that data. All its good for. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Brizzyc: @JoshFrigerio @wjchat And…I don’t have hard stats on this in front of me, but infographics get shared A LOT #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb @wjchat true, because you never know what kind of population the sample was pulled from and how it will relate #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

wjchat
@wjchat


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb So another reason to learn math is so you can do your own analysis on raw data – because you’ll get PR #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
That’s good! RT @mattwaite Another place journos go wrong? Not asking who collected data & why. What do they have to gain by it? #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Now, Q4: When it comes to pretty infographics/charts, what are some basic principles to follow to check my math? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb @gotoplanb So another reason to learn math is so you can do your own analysis on raw data – because you’ll get PR #wjchat

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchaf A3 Also some people are good at using numbers as a shell game, hide what’s really happening – know what you’re looking at. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Now, Q4: When it comes to pretty infographics/charts, what are some basic principles to follow to check my math? #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @LiciBev: @wjchaf A3 Also some people are good at using numbers as a shell game, hide what’s really happening – know what you’re looking

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey This is amazing, Robin! Plz educate me in your ways! #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @mattwaite Agreed, Verification is key. The public needs to be able to trust that you know what data you’re dealing with. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
television news outlets make the mistake of using too many number-laden graphics. #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@dataeditor @wjchat #wjchat I find that making points verbally works well in threes. I think top ten lists work well for the written word.

Toni B. Zoblotsky
@ToniZob


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Make sure youre using the right chart to show what you want people to see. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A1A Because the public hates math and its YOUR JOB to break down all the math the world is made of for your readers.

Rainer
@ITsJESSforME


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Oh and those poll of polls crapsicles. You cant cram data with varying error rates together and pretend cleanliness. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the picture. #wjchat.

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Any examples of infographics that did it right? #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the pi

wjchat
@wjchat


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat I think many journalists go wrong by not displaying the data graphically so that its understandable. http://t.co/qp81UvSeLu

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A4 I don’t usually look at infographics – they’re the PowerPoint of this decade #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat True. I get a lot of press releases on new ‘reports’ and ‘polls’ that are sketchy when you look at the numbers #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/3nsyhNzT1L

MHarvey
@mharvey816


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A4: break the information down out of the charts and graphics #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ToniZob: @dataeditor @wjchat #wjchat I find that making points verbally works well in threes. I think top ten lists work well for the w

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the pi

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ToniZob: @dataeditor @wjchat #wjchat I find that making points verbally works well in threes. I think top ten lists work well for the w

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the pi

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Exactly MT @mattwaite #wjchat Most of the time we go wrong not thinking through what’s there & not asking about how numbers came to being.

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @mattwaite Oh and those poll of polls crapsicles. You cant cram data with varying error rates together and pretend cleanl

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A3: Focusing on single points rather than trends is also a problem. Knowing where a numbers heading is often important. #wjchat

Casey Frechette
@cfrech


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

wjchat
@wjchat


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @wjchat Good question! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I learned from this 1954 standard: How to Lie with Statistics http://t.co/uC1x0tUXoc #wjchat

Burton Bridges
@MemphisMaverick


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q4: Assume you’re wrong and ask someone smarter than you to check. Best way to cut down mistakes. Don’t be proud. I’m not. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @RobinMonkey: #wjchat I think many journalists go wrong by not displaying the data graphically so that its understandable. http://t.co/q

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb We agree, but the cognitive toolkit to analyze all data is vast. Super easy to +/- margins of error as bullshit identifier. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A4: once caught a major typo in a publication by simply going down chart eyeballing numbers that didn’t add up; had to reprint it #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
MT @wjchat Q4:When it comes to infographics/charts,what are some basic principles to check my math? #wjchat // Make sure everything adds up!

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MemphisMaverick: @wjchat I learned from this 1954 standard: How to Lie with Statistics http://t.co/uC1x0tUXoc #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Who’s got one to share? RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Any examples of infographics that did it right? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:34 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@SenwhaaLim I’d be happy to! I’m not a data person but I loved working on this. It felt more design than data & that made math ok. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @wjchat Why orgs need visual people and web designers to help make all these numbers easy for your eyes to digest #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A4 Does the chart you produced LOOK ridiculous? Check your numbers again. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Thinking numbers on their own can tell a story. #wjchat

Becky Griffin
@dorothyofisrael


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @melody_gordon: @RobinMonkey @wjchat Why orgs need visual people and web designers to help make all these numbers easy for your eyes to

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A4. Despite what some athletes say, don’t give more than 100 percent. :) #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:35 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @JoshFrigerio I’m sure @ivanlajara has a good example or two! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @JoshFrigerio #wjchat Here you go! http://t.co/qp81UvSeLu

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q4 Read your Tufte — does it convey the data? Does it illuminate instead of obfuscate?

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the pi

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


5:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @JoshFrigerio 4 me, that NYT piece on dialects ( http://t.co/8zIf9w37SZ ) come 2 mind. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Me and numbers. Woot. “@jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/YebSRlXGGv”

liz
@pb_reader


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@MikeRoe A4 Any chart that compares quantity of X to how many units of X stretch to the moon and back are ridiculousness. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A4: Dont be misleading… http://t.co/GlrwTaeDq5 #wjchat

Casey Frechette
@cfrech


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Here is one example of fracking in Florida. #wjchat http://t.co/FX8HjPA62Q

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @cfrech: @wjchat A4: Dont be misleading… http://t.co/GlrwTaeDq5 #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:37 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @JoshFrigerio Sadly, this only displays properly on a computer screen: http://t.co/2uOB4Knzkt #wjchat

Emilie R. Saunders
@EmilieRSaunders


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Data journalism becomes more frustrating to me when it’s a bunch of numbers everywhere. Aesthetically pleasing data is a good thing #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @MikeRoe A4 Any chart that compares quantity of X to how many units of X stretch to the moon and back are ridiculousness. #w

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks so how else do they present data to the public? #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: A3. Incomplete data can also lead to wrong conclusions. Just because you’ve got some numbers doesn’t mean you’ve got the pi

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Very true. Wowing with your smarts shouldn’t be top priority. MT @mattwaite: #wjchat Q4. Does it illuminate instead of obfuscate?

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Now, Q4: When it comes to pretty infographics/charts, what are some basic principles to follow to check my math? #wjchat

Patriot-News Design
@pn_design


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A4 Never never never use 3D effect on a chart unless that third dimension represents another variable. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
There is danger in generalizing from numbers. #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:38 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q4 Start with the most basic principles: Does it make sense? Does it tell a story? Is it readable?

cephillips
@cephillips


5:39 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
True RT @mattwaite #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:39 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@melody_gordon @wjchat I think we journalist need to make the sausage in order to get it aesthetically pleasing for our consumers. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:39 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat A4 Never never never use 3D effect on a chart unless that third dimension represents another variable. #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:39 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @madamebelle: So true MT @Brizzyc I think a big mistake is presenting numbers w/out context – so that they have little meaning for reade

Guillaume Dumont
@GuillaumeDumont


5:39 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @madamebelle: True RT @mattwaite #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @oskargarcia: @wjchat Big one. MT @davidplazas: @wjchat Not understanding percentage vs. percentage points. #wjchat

Patriot-News Design
@pn_design


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Oh, and I’m Emilie, former @NPRStateImpact Idaho reporter now at @KBSX915 in Boise #wjchat

Emilie R. Saunders
@EmilieRSaunders


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas @melody_gordon Yep, has to be digestible. Simple benchmark: Would YOU want to read it? #wjchat

Esther Goh
@egesther


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @EmilieRSaunders: @wjchat @JoshFrigerio Sadly, this only displays properly on a computer screen: http://t.co/2uOB4Knzkt #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat doing social media promoted growth for analytic reports #excelpro #wjchat

Senwhaa Lim
@SenwhaaLim


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat – that fracking graphic was wonderful.

Julia Duin
@juliaduin


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas @wjchat That is pretty cool looking! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@melody_gordon And probably true for most of your readers, too. Important to think about what they really need. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:40 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Because @gotoplanb said crapsicles and no to 3D, I present the worst graphic ever: https://t.co/S0UuYoydzG

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A4 @wjchat get a stats prof/friend/relative/trustworthy acquaintance to look at it before publishing? #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @wjchat Thanks! #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @egesther: @davidplazas @melody_gordon Yep, has to be digestible. Simple benchmark: Would YOU want to read it? #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q5 I’m a journalist who hasn’t done math in years. Where should I go for a refresher/crash course? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Whew! RT @davidplazas: @wjchat Here is one example of fracking in Florida. #wjchat http://t.co/qLc2HmvSte

wjchat
@wjchat


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Brizzyc: @melody_gordon And probably true for most of your readers, too. Important to think about what they really need. #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Because @gotoplanb said crapsicles and no to 3D, I present the worst graphic ever: https://t.co/S0UuYoydzG

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:41 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
!! RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Because @gotoplanb said crapsicles and no to 3D, I present the worst graphic ever: https://t.co/xXxXJ82Y6Q

wjchat
@wjchat


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Who’s got one to share? RT @JoshFrigerio: @wjchat Any examples of infographics that did it right? #wjchat

Patriot-News Design
@pn_design


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @wjchat @JoshFrigerio This one shows OT of former cop up in one agency while going down on another http://t.co/YkQIyMTDgC #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Q5 I’m a journalist who hasn’t done math in years. Where should I go for a refresher/crash course? #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to gain by it?

Vanda Greenwood
@VandaAnne


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q5: The “by the book” answer is probably yes. Never a reason to stop learning. But if want to improve, you enrolled already #wjchat

Josh Frigerio
@JoshFrigerio


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A5 Community college – inexpensive and rigorous #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat Q5 I’m a journalist who hasn’t done math in years. Where should I go for a refresher/crash course? #wjchat // Poynter.

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @davidplazas Information overload #wjchat

Melody
@melody_gordon


5:42 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @mattwaite @gotoplanb SMH… #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Howdy howdy, mathletes! #wjchat

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A5 don’t try to do it on line – you need a human teacher #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @wjchat @JoshFrigerio That’s still a BIG story spanning many agencies and people around here http://t.co/BQVth5JYbn #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
The basic college algebra or stats course, goes over the basics #wjchat

Aesia Toliver
@A_Tolly


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @znmeb: @wjchat A5 don’t try to do it on line – you need a human teacher #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q5 @wjchat – Grad school… Or just use the internet. Them internets got everything! #wjchat

Bret Weaver
@Bret_Weaver


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I haven’t done one yet, but I’ve really wanted to utilize some of the MOOCs in this area to at least start to learn more. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:43 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A5 @wjchat MOOCs like @Udacity & @Coursera? They should have a decent intro to algebra course. Community college also good choice. #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb Maybe you = private tutor on Twitter for journos? :D #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb @wjchat Don’t understand why you say that? It doesn’t have to represent a variable – it just makes it visually appealing. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q5 Depends on what type of learner you are. I really enjoyed being back in a classroom as a student.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I don’t know if there have been any MOOCs specially about math in the hard core sense, but definitely about data/data viz. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Your neighbors’ kid’s high school homework. #wjchat

Kara Sassone
@karamat


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A5 Other members of your newsroom. Your smart friend/parent/spouse/kid. Or theres Khan Academy: http://t.co/Gz9sbfqYKI #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Bret_Weaver: Q5 @wjchat – Grad school… Or just use the internet. Them internets got everything! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q5 Depends on what type of learner you are. I really enjoyed being back in a classroom as a student.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Brizzyc @wjchat MOOCs are fine for advanced motivated folks – for “relearning” the basics, do it in a classroom. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q5: Honestly, at this point I would say you can easily find resources through Google. You’ll have to dig for something good. @wjchat #wjchat

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@karamat So well-sourced you are! :D #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


5:44 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A5 NewsU used to have a solid Math for journalists module for free. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A5: find an online tutorial (hopefully free) and i always have my online % calculator bookmarked #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks that’s television: it uses video & audio to deliver information. People seem to be forgetting that point. #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat A5 NewsU used to have a solid Math for journalists module for free. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q5 If you’re REALLY math phobic, having a person there is life and death.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Here is a collection of sites that offer free online courses in math and other subjects http://t.co/017AkzVfDP #wjchat

Lauren Turner
@TurnerLBT90


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Just email people. I field math-related questions of all kinds from other journalists. They’re my favorite. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @dataeditor: @wjchat Just email people. I field math-related questions of all kinds from other journalists. They’re my favorite. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #IRE does computer-assisted reporting training. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I’ve also found that many education departments have the most accessible/well taught stats courses. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Martha_Kang I’m actually trying to set something like that up here, but frankly, any community college can do it. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q5 I try to find someone who can explain it to me in person. Or my brother. He does the whole numbers thing for a living now #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat learn data analysis: MT @mututemple Free course “Doing Journalism with Data: First Steps, Skills and Tools” http://t.co/AJ53c7SJvR

Karen Hansen
@Petite_Pixie


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Brizzyc @wjchat I took a course with the Knight Center; it was a good experience … but it’s not for everyone. #wjchat

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:45 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat I was skeptical of all the hype around Khan Academy videos, but they’re legit. I supplemented classes with those.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I was skeptical of all the hype around Khan Academy videos, but they’re legit. I supplemented classes with t

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Agreed but MOOCs can be a good alt w/ lack of resources RT @znmeb: @wjchat A5 don’t try to do it on line – you need a human teacher #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @TurnerLBT90: @wjchat Here is a collection of sites that offer free online courses in math and other subjects http://t.co/017AkzVfDP #wj

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A5: Go to your local community college. Alternatively, rent a math textbook on kindle. #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat You were using every day going into the Khan Academy, right? #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:46 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @wjchat There arent enough nope GIFs in the entire Internet to describe how much nope I am sending your way. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat There’s the upcoming European Journalism Centre MOOC. https://t.co/ZK8khhfZHG #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @davidplazas: @wjchat There’s the upcoming European Journalism Centre MOOC. https://t.co/ZK8khhfZHG #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @wjchat A5 NewsU used to have a solid Math for journalists module for free. #wjchat

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Any journalists looking for a free way to brush up on math skills – http://t.co/fuYkBcxeBz is a great resource #wjchat

RJAA
@RyeJournAlumni


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas @wjchat Yeah – I think I signed up for that because of who the instructors are. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I was skeptical of all the hype around Khan Academy videos, but they’re legit. I supplemented classes with t

wjchat
@wjchat


5:47 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @gotoplanb: @RobinMonkey @wjchat There arent enough nope GIFs in the entire Internet to describe how much nope I am sending your way.

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @dataeditor: @wjchat Just email people. I field math-related questions of all kinds from other journalists. They’re my favorite. #wjchat

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@barry_parks @NitzanaMamane I think a basic graphic can be used to represent all sorts of data on tv! It’s a big computer screen! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio @LiciBev @wjchat just number on a spreadsheet. The graph is made automatically from it, and it tells the story. #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb @RobinMonkey MVP for best #wjchat comeback tweet

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey Bit seriously: nope. Adding 3D arbitrarily distorts perception of the data. You are hurting people. Killing kittens. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Time for Q6: What kinds of tricks/tips have you found help you improve your math other than doing practice questions? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:48 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@dataeditor @wjchat very true – find a trusted source who can help you understand the numbers #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:49 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ivanlajara @JoshFrigerio @wjchat Rhat story is pretty crazy. And sad for the demolition of public trust. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:49 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
MT @wjchat Q6:What kinds of tricks/tips have you found help you improve your math? #wjchat // Does using a calculator count? (Just kidding!)

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:49 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
One of these days I’ll remember to sign on early enough to catch #wjchat in its entirety again.

Helen Mosher
@helenhmosher


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q6 Honestly, the best thing for me was explaining it to other people. Helping others forced me to think clearly about it.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A6 @wjchat Use a computer or a calculator. But definitely understand all the concepts before using computational power for shortcuts #wjchat

Anna Li
@ax_li


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q6 Honestly, the best thing for me was explaining it to other people. Helping others forced me to think clea

wjchat
@wjchat


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q6: Do math everyday. Simple as that. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q6: Looking at someone’s work to see if you can reach the same conclusion as they did, maybe in a different way. #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @barry_parks TV still has a job to do: give news. Gotta do it with vid/audio. Otherwise, just call it a newspaper. #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb Yeah, I would agree for the basics, yes. #wjchat Although could be a way for some to at least start getting a refresher.

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @faithproducer: @wjchat Q6: Looking at someone’s work to see if you can reach the same conclusion as they did, maybe in a different way.

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:50 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A6: practice enough in stories and research that you are comfortable with math some of the barrier is lack of interest in it #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q6 Honestly, the best thing for me was explaining it to other people. Helping others forced me to think clea

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
How long each day, would you say? RT @dataeditor: @wjchat Q6: Do math everyday. Simple as that. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@dataeditor: @wjchat Q6: Do math everyday. Simple as that. #wjchat Absolutely.

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q6 The other thing? Thinking story, all the time. How to apply what I was doing. Inspired this: https://t.co/a37dwu6nHK

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A6: One tip is to remember that math is so much more than arithmetic. And it’s okay to use a calculator. #wjchat.

Casey Frechette
@cfrech


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat LOVE Khan academy. My daughter used to watch it for FUN when she was 6-7 years old. #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q6 The other thing? Thinking story, all the time. How to apply what I was doing. Inspired this: https://t.co

wjchat
@wjchat


5:51 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A6: sounds crazy, but once I aced first stats course, i felt more confident and able to handle and not be intimidated by the numbers #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:52 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @dataeditor The key is what’s called “deliberate practice”. @seriouspony’s writing a book about it! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:52 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q6 The other thing? Thinking story, all the time. How to apply what I was doing. Inspired this: https://t.co

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:52 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Don’t use calculators when you don’t have to. Kind of like driving one block away. #wjchat

Oskar Garcia
@oskargarcia


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@faithproducer @wjchat good strategy, work backwards from answer & see their method #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard You know, I agree. I do TERRIBLE on math on standardaized tests, but I find basic stats classes not bad. #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat If I had my druthers, hours on end. But 15-30 minutes (especially in a journalistic setting) is great. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A6: Learn some programming. It’s a great piratical application of the math. Plus, you learn to program to boot! #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat That’s where I usually break down – I like to wallow in raw data and explore #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. Learned R that way. #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @cfrech: @wjchat A3: Focusing on single points rather than trends is also a problem. Knowing where a numbers heading is often important

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I use it all the time! MT @RyeJournAlumni: Journos looking for a free way to brush up on math skills http://t.co/2dsHvu1GaO is great #wjchat

Alexandra Abdelwahab
@alexabdelwahab


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @chrishagan: @wjchat A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. Learned R that way. #wjchat

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:53 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@NitzanaMamane But TV gives its own ‘variety’ of news. Pics and audio tell stories in ways print can’t. Leave #’s to print #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I think to understand it, you have to practice. The tricks include learning the formula, like % change, averages, etc. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @chrishagan: @wjchat A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. Learned R that way. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @chrishagan: @wjchat A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. Learned R that way. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@chrishagan @wjchat that’s a great idea! Applied math. #wjchat

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Most important part? Believe you can do it. Confidence. You are not bad at math. http://t.co/nBixYxHtXA

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:54 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@chrishagan @wjchat @mattwaite Then you know about the Lahman package ;-) #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Most important part? Believe you can do it. Confidence. You are not bad at math. http://t.co/nBixYxHtXA

wjchat
@wjchat


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite That’s always when you know you really understand something. Also having to teach it means you have to REMEMBER it, too #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Brizzyc same here – no good on standardized tests, especially if they’re timed #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
As an aside, #wjchat folks, anyone using http://t.co/PnPoyN30oL CMS? Thoughts?

sghidek
@sghidek


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard: @faithproducer @wjchat good strategy, work backwards from answer & see their method #wjchat that’s what I do.

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


5:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Same! w/the baseball! MT @chrishagan: A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. #wjchat

Julia B. Chan
@juliachanb


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat For me, the single biggest thing is REMEMBERING. Have to keep doing it or I lose it. #WJCHAT I’ve forgotten so much already.

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @Brizzyc: @wjchat For me, the single biggest thing is REMEMBERING. Have to keep doing it or I lose it. #WJCHAT I’ve forgotten so much al

wjchat
@wjchat


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @chrishagan: @wjchat A6 Not for everyone, but having a math hobby can help. For me it was baseball stats. Learned R that way. #wjchat

Calvin Carter Jr
@ccarter567


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I hate to be rude, but I have to sign off #wjchat right now. Have fun learning about math without me!

Latrice Davis
@latrice_davis


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
LOL “@jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/IkSdU8Aagm”

Jill Espiritu
@Storee16


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A6 Put things in perspective. 1 Instagram by FB ($1B) = 4 Wapos by Bezos ($250M)= 1 billion McChicken sandwiches #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
My feed is nothing but cognitive dissonance, with my Huskers leading Indiana late and #wjchat talking math.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:56 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q7 How much of the math you’re learning now are concepts you apply in your daily life? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat What I came for MT @RyeJournAlumni: Journos looking for free way to brush up on math skills http://t.co/bbi989bppd #wjchat

Julia B. Chan
@juliachanb


5:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat 3D charts: You are sacrificing data cognition to add aesthetic. The degree to which you trade is your ethical choice. #wjchat

Dave Stanton
@gotoplanb


5:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@JoshFrigerio Data mostly from @pewresearch & the like. Used InDesign & Infographic add-on for Keynote. Week for 4 pages. 1st time. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


5:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat A6 Put things in perspective. 1 Instagram by FB ($1B) = 4 Wapos by Bezos ($250M)= 1 billion McChicken sandwiches #w

Julia B. Chan
@juliachanb


5:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@MemphisMaverick @wjchat I leo buy many things on sale, which requires math to figure out how much Im saving. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Q7 How much of the math you’re learning now are concepts you apply in your daily life? #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A7 pretty much all of it – I’m working on machine learning algorithms, etc. #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Q7 Some. Not all. Most of the every day data journalism math is simple stuff learned long ago.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ivanlajara @wjchat oh yeah i <3 doing this. I measure web traffic in % of gungnam style. #wjchat

Ted Han
@knowtheory


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Q7 Some. Not all. Most of the every day data journalism math is simple stuff learned long ago.

wjchat
@wjchat


5:58 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q7: Basically every level of math has practical purposes for daily life. Even calculus. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A7: i’m using spreadsheets everyday and analyzing data/metrics/trends for marketing to different audiences #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q7 A lot more than before – maybe because I’m looking for patterns now #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @acnatta: Q7 A lot more than before – maybe because I’m looking for patterns now #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Percentages, what I do most now. Basic addition, subtraction. #wjchat

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Today’s #wjchat- journalism & math. Journalism student math? Win an @RTDNA #scholarship, pay less tuition! http://t.co/JkoUJ4w68u

Karen Hansen
@Petite_Pixie


5:59 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @barry_parks In a manner of speaking, yes. But mixes the print/TV. It’s a mutt. A mass media mutt #wjchat

Nitzana Mamane
@NitzanaMamane


6:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q6 Balance a checkbook, figure out 18% tip w/o iPhone, figure out OT for working that standoff. #wjchat

Kara Sassone
@karamat


6:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard That’s fantastic. You should share more with us sometime how you are doing so #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


6:00 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Brizzyc @BobbieMaynard Yes, do tell us more. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat For me, the every day stuff comes in thinking analytically and critically about … anything really.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@gotoplanb Doesn’t like killing kittens or data distortion for *evil* but 3D used correctly can be appealing on some mediums. #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Personally, reading a book like “Mathletics” helped. Learned new ways to analyze, use data, and new math equations to use. #wjchat

Becky Griffin
@dorothyofisrael


6:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A7 I do things that need percentages all the time. Potion-making, sewing, cooking. And pi. Lots of pi. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:01 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @NitzanaMamane largely, yes! #wjchat a synthesis of several media but newspaper-like

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


6:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@knowtheory @wjchat I remember a study on twitter influence as measure by ‘kardashians’ #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


6:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
If you were wondering, #wjchat, @Huskers beat IU at IU. #crossingthestreams

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
This just in: RT @mattwaite: If you were wondering, #wjchat, @Huskers beat IU at IU. #crossingthestreams

wjchat
@wjchat


6:02 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ivanlajara @knowtheory @wjchat that’s sad #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @Brizzyc @BobbieMaynard When you “show” your conclusions do you use a visual dashboard/infographic like the one i posted? #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@ivanlajara @knowtheory @wjchat Ewww. But probably a good way to measure. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:03 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@NitzanaMamane my comment does appear that way, but not particularly what i was trying to intimate. #wjchat

Barry Parks
@barry_parks


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @ivanlajara @knowtheory @wjchat I’d be a nanokardashian #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat @Brizzyc keep up with funds spent on advertising, how many reached for a target demographic, ROI is what I’m looking for #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat For me, the every day stuff comes in thinking analytically and critically about … anything really.

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q8 Let’s talk about social engagement metrics. What kind of math helps us better understand them? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb @ivanlajara @knowtheory @wjchat True! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat If you’re looking for every day “thinking math” type book learnin’, try this: http://t.co/b2p51A09Ve

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@LiciBev @ivanlajara @knowtheory @wjchat And my Klout score is the additive identity #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:04 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat If you’re looking for every day “thinking math” type book learnin’, try this: http://t.co/b2p51A09Ve

wjchat
@wjchat


6:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#WJchat, don’t forget… V3con digital media conference is on June 21. Early-bird registration ends 3/31: http://t.co/9cNk0ltyyI

V3con
@V3con


6:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @V3con: #WJchat, don’t forget… V3con digital media conference is on June 21. Early-bird registration ends 3/31: http://t.co/9cNk0ltyyI

Kelly Chen
@chenkx


6:05 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@NitzanaMamane @barry_parks I think visual elements used correctly could help TV boost views & help ppl better understand elections #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:06 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @wjchat @Brizzyc I wish I could be that creative, but mine are mostly basic excel charts #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat What interests me about math and social engagement is divining new stats. This is bananas: http://t.co/ScK1hf7IVW

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat If you’re looking for every day “thinking math” type book learnin’, try this: http://t.co/b2p51A09Ve

Julia B. Chan
@juliachanb


6:07 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat What interests me about math and social engagement is divining new stats. This is bananas: http://t.co/ScK1h

wjchat
@wjchat


6:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat And I mean that with the highest respect. It’s straight mind-warping.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A8: looking for what content gets shared/liked most, especially if there is a call to action with it, not just about views anymore #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat What interests me about math and social engagement is divining new stats. This is bananas: http://t.co/ScK1h

Julia B. Chan
@juliachanb


6:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@znmeb @LiciBev @knowtheory @wjchat nanokardashians, indeed. Post is down. But cache is still up http://t.co/McH5J5Y7KN #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


6:08 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @sghidek: As an aside, #wjchat folks, anyone using http://t.co/PnPoyN30oL CMS? Thoughts?

Jeff Hidek
@JeffHidek


6:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard @wjchat @Brizzyc I’ll show you some simple design tricks to help if you share some Excel metrics ninja-ness w/ me! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat I do a lot of YOY and MOM data analysis on our metrics, so I’m using it regularly. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


6:09 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard @wjchat @Brizzyc Mine started as basic excel charts but in Infographic, an add-on to Keynote! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@RobinMonkey @wjchat @Brizzyc Deal! #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat What interests me about math and social engagement is divining new stats. This is bananas: http://t.co/ScK1h

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A8 Again, compare apples to apples. Not all engagement is equal. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat Ah, that post was so interesting. I think I assigned it for later this semester for class #wjchat

Carrie Brown-Smith
@Brizzyc


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @davidplazas: @wjchat I do a lot of YOY and MOM data analysis on our metrics, so I’m using it regularly. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:10 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite @wjchat A spectacular example of visual exploratory data analysis! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/IC9lk497U0 just so this will show up in my pics. :p

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


6:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A8 I think this goes back more to understanding how your data was collected and what the numbers represent. #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


6:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:11 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard @wjchat @Brizzyc Definitely!! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #wjchat

Shauna Stuart
@ShaunaReporter


6:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


6:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @chrishagan: @wjchat A8 I think this goes back more to understanding how your data was collected and what the numbers represent. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Q8 Let’s talk about social engagement metrics. What kind of math helps us better understand them? #wjchat

Shannan Bowen
@shanbow


6:12 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat The elusive and changing algorithms, which are generally proprietary. On a basic level, # of new or lost likes or followers. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


6:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @acnatta: RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #w

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


6:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Here comes Q9: OK, OK, numbers are important. But how do we get our readers to care about stories with lots of numbers? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
(Here’s a primer on dark social, btw http://t.co/75enn4wYHz #wjchat)

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


6:13 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas @wjchat The growth hacker literature is crawling with stuff like this but it’s all keyed to revenue! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Brizzyc @mattwaite @wjchat That article is super interesting for ppl like me who nerd out over history AND social media analytics! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
.@wjchat: A9: visualize the numbers. #wjchat

Rajneesh Bhandari
@RajneeshB


6:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: (Here’s a primer on dark social, btw http://t.co/75enn4wYHz #wjchat)

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:14 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat People are who matter in stories, not numbers. Numbers help provide context. Journos should be able to curate that info. #wjchat

David Plazas
@davidplazas


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q9 It still gets back to making sure you relate it to to a story that answers “why” otherwise, they’re just numbers. #wjchat

Andr Natta
@acnatta


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Pair the numbers with people. Make it human. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A9 Boil it down to the lowest common denomination. Just say what it means in plain English. Use numbers to back it up. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Graphics! Graphics! Graphics! And the right publicity through sharing on many channels! Creative “hooks” to the story! #wjchat

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @davidplazas: @wjchat People are who matter in stories, not numbers. Numbers help provide context. Journos should be able to curate that

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @acnatta: Q9 It still gets back to making sure you relate it to to a story that answers “why” otherwise, they’re just numbers. #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@davidplazas That is exactly it. No one cares about budgets, but they do care about who lost their job because of budgets. #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


6:15 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat Q9: we have to include relevant content for the audience to understand why the numbers are important. If not, don’t include the data

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @davidplazas: @wjchat People are who matter in stories, not numbers. Numbers help provide context. Journos should be able to curate that

wjchat
@wjchat


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@kimbui: @wjchat Pair the numbers with people. Make it human. #wjchat yep.

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Q9: Use people to demonstrate numbers. Data begets great sources begets more data begets great sources and so on. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A9 Data are a source, not the story. Start with the impact and work backwards. #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat A9: Truth? Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing with numbers without numbers.

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @kimbui: @davidplazas That is exactly it. No one cares about budgets, but they do care about who lost their job because of budgets. #wjc

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Truth? Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing with numbers without nu

wjchat
@wjchat


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat If you’re looking for every day “thinking math” type book learnin’, try this: http://t.co/b2p51A09Ve

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


6:16 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Truth? Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing with numbers without nu

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat visualizations that combine smart design, interactivity and context… context is very important. #wjchat

Shannan Bowen
@shanbow


6:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat A9: Pick the fewest numbers possible and focus on them. Use phrases like 3 in 10 or about half in stead of 30 and 50 percent

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Pick the fewest numbers possible and focus on them. Use phrases like 3 in 10 or about half in stead of 3

wjchat
@wjchat


6:17 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

Digital First cat
@DFNewsCat


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat For the Post’s tax lien series (http://t.co/5vh68TY8Fb), our strategy was to keep the numbers to a minimum. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
A9: break it down to what’s most important for your readers – don’t make it too complicated #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A9 Numbers arent just numbers. They represent real things people care about like people, money, health. Make that clear. #wjchat

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Truth? Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing with numbers without nu

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Truth? Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing with numbers without nu

Robin Spielberger
@RobinMonkey


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @dataeditor: @wjchat For the Post’s tax lien series (http://t.co/5vh68TY8Fb), our strategy was to keep the numbers to a minimum. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:18 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
I told you I came prepared. #wjchat

Digital First cat
@DFNewsCat


6:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @MikeRoe: @wjchat A9 Numbers arent just numbers. They represent real things people care about like people, money, health. Make that cle

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

Sean Greene
@seangreene89


6:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
No place for lots of numbers in radio news copy. RT @wjchat: how do we get our readers to care about stories with lots of numbers? #wjchat

Abe Hefter
@hefteronthehabs


6:19 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
used to be norm that wrote stories to be understood at an 8th grade reading level – leave the detailed math to the academic journals #wjchat

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@BobbieMaynard So that’s why I didn’t get a journalism class till 9th grade! #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:20 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
This. MT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat A9: Don’t write stories with lots of numbers. I do a whole lecture on writing w/ numbers w/o numbers.

Abe Hefter
@hefteronthehabs


6:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Use only the most important, original numbers in your writing & draw on compelling human stories to illustrate your findings #wjchat

Garance Burke
@garanceburke


6:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

Sandy Coronilla
@OCRSandy


6:21 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
And Q10 is a bonus question for you mathletes: What will YOU do on Pi Day next week? #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A10 who knows? probably some R coding ;-) #wjchat

M. Edward Borasky
@znmeb


6:22 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Make a pie? #wjchat

P. Kim Bui
@kimbui


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat A10 Celebrate someone who didnt use math but DID use evidence, by going to see the VERONICA MARS MOVIE! #wjchat #VeronicaMarsMovie

Mike Roe
@MikeRoe


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat don’t you mean “Ides of March eve?”… #wjchat

SocialKimLy
@SocialKimLy


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @kimbui: @wjchat Make a pie? #wjchat http://t.co/PctzA9QpTG

wjchat
@wjchat


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Q10 I’ll be making a pie and celebrating my website’s 7th anniversary! #wjchat #piecampbham

Andr Natta
@acnatta


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Gotta run. Good night, everybody! Thanks @mattwaite @wjchat great discussion! #wjchat

Lici Beveridge
@LiciBev


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Get a pi tattoo, maybe? Would be a nice addition to the NICAR ink. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


6:23 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @dataeditor: @wjchat Get a pi tattoo, maybe? Would be a nice addition to the NICAR ink. #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat What interests me about math and social engagement is divining new stats. This is bananas: http://t.co/ScK1h

Mike Stucka
@MikeStucka


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@dataeditor Really? You have a NICAR tattoo? #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
eat pie of course :) #wjchat – been great chat tonight — gotta get my kiddos to bed – goodnight!

Bobbie Maynard
@BobbieMaynard


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat I’ll be hosting Maker Hours at @Unl_CoJMC, nerding out. http://t.co/b4kMUh8Ssm

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Run in circles! #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


6:24 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I’ll be hosting Maker Hours at @Unl_CoJMC, nerding out. http://t.co/b4kMUh8Ssm

wjchat
@wjchat


6:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@Indoctrinated ha! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


6:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Well, folks, that wraps up this week’s #wjchat on math + journalism. HUGE thanks to our host @mattwaite!

wjchat
@wjchat


6:25 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat ‘-1 2 and it was delicious’ #wjchat

Ivan Lajara
@ivanlajara


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Thank you, all, for participating, and see you back here next Wednesday at 5 PST! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Well, folks, that wraps up this week’s #wjchat on math + journalism. HUGE thanks to our host @mattwaite!

Shannan Bowen
@shanbow


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Well, folks, that wraps up this week’s #wjchat on math + journalism. HUGE thanks to our host @mattwaite!

Faith Hannah
@faithproducer


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat #wjchat Thanks folks. Remember, you might feel like http://t.co/3iCyb25Icy but you can do math. http://t.co/nBixYxHtXA

Matt Waite
@mattwaite


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
You can always pitch a host or topic to #wjchat: http://t.co/c2yew9vVT7

wjchat
@wjchat


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Thanks for taking the #wjchat challenge, @mattwaite! We all appreciate it

Andr Natta
@acnatta


6:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @thejefflarson: @wjchat #1 assuming the data is correct and not fact checking it. ;) #wjchat

Alexander Cohen
@capitolmuckrakr


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Thanks folks. Remember, you might feel like http://t.co/3iCyb25Icy but you can do math. http://t.co/nBixYxHt

wjchat
@wjchat


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat My Pi Day isn’t math related, but definitely journalism related. http://t.co/8fHGWPW1xl #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: (Here’s a primer on dark social, btw http://t.co/75enn4wYHz #wjchat)

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat First time tuning in to #wjchat. Is it 1.5 hours every week?

Melody
@melody_gordon


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@wjchat Good game. That was fun. Thanks to @mattwaite for representing us math nerds in journalism well. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


6:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @ivanlajara: @wjchat Q8. Understand this: Social metrics don’t tell the whole story. Dark social+analog changes picture. #wjchat

Laura Bellinger
@madamebelle


6:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@melody_gordon Yes, 90 minutes starting at 5 PST every Wednesday. Thanks for joining, and welcome! #wjchat

wjchat
@wjchat


6:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Thank you so much for hosting! Learned a TON! #wjchat

Martha Kang
@Martha_Kang


6:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @DFNewsCat: A9. VISUALIZE YOUR DATA IN EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFO, like dis http://t.co/eqxmqn08Pw #wjchat

Laura G.
@elleplaster


6:29 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Things I’m learning about living in Central time: Much easier to participate in #wjchat

Chris Hagan
@chrishagan


6:30 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@chrishagan it definitely puts #wjchat in a sweet spot time wise, doesn’t it?

Andr Natta
@acnatta


6:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Good night, web journos! #wjchat

Alex Campbell
@Indoctrinated


6:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @wjchat: Well, folks, that wraps up this week’s #wjchat on math + journalism. HUGE thanks to our host @mattwaite!

Alexander Cohen
@capitolmuckrakr


6:32 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
If you love math and journalism, check out out today’s @wjchat hosted by @mattwaite. It was awesome. #wjchat

Steven Rich
@dataeditor


6:33 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @dataeditor: If you love math and journalism, check out out today’s @wjchat hosted by @mattwaite. It was awesome. #wjchat

Emma Carew Grovum
@emmacarew


6:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat I was skeptical of all the hype around Khan Academy videos, but they’re legit. I supplemented classes with t

Mark Loundy
@MarkLoundy


6:36 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
#wjchat This is one way the dreadful math and data was useful to me! Social Media Analytics & dashboards. http://t… http://t.co/vd451iETBH

Smugo
@tolguen


6:55 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @pb_reader: Me and numbers. Woot. “@jodiontheweb: This is Jodi math. #wjchat http://t.co/YebSRlXGGv”

Asra Matchett
@am1667


7:26 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
Looking forward to meeting #wjchat folks at #sxswi. Stop by Sunday at 5pm CST to talk nonprofit journalism http://t.co/PEp1FCxuy5 #notmemes

Adam Soclof
@hypersem


7:27 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Thanks folks. Remember, you might feel like http://t.co/3iCyb25Icy but you can do math. http://t.co/nBixYxHt

Robert Hernandez
@webjournalist


7:28 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
@mattwaite Thanks for hosting #wjchat tonight, dude!

Robert Hernandez
@webjournalist


7:31 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @mattwaite: @wjchat #wjchat Also: Your sources know math and data. If you don’t, you’re putting yourself at their mercy. That’s bad.

Kamal Hothi
@kamal_hothi


7:57 p.m. PST | 03.05.2014
RT @madamebelle: True RT @mattwaite #wjchat Another place journalists go wrong? Not asking who collected data and why. What do they have to

Cameron
@soycamo


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